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So this past weekend I GM'ed at Atlanta Comic Con. It was an awesome experience and everyone had an amazing time. Anyway, I have a question / issue with the rewards GMs get for running specific games and how it can hurt.
As I currently understand it right now, GMs can only get the gold / item rewards for the tier the table played at. For instance, I GM a Tier 1-5 game played at the 1-2 subtier. I have a level 5 cleric. As I understand it, I cannot reward my cleric with the gains I get from the 4-5 subtier, just the 1-2, since that's what the table played at.
If this is the case, I think this system totally needs to be re-worked. It's painful because I GM to help introduce people to PFS, and I feel like I get punished as a GM because of it. Yes, I guess I could apply the credit to a new character, but I also want to keep my cleric in line with my friends so I can adventure with them.
If I am mistaken about this in advance, I apologize and would greatly appreciate the correction in knowledge. If not, I hope to start a discussion about this very issue.
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From my reading, this the way you provided rewards is not correct.
You should gain the rewards appropriate for your character, not the tier at which the table ran. For example:
For a Tier 1-5 Module:
Character Level 1-2 = Sub-Tier 1-2 Rewards
Character Level 3 = Sub-Tier 1-2 Rewards (because you would have to "play down")
Character Level 4-5 = Sub-Tier 4-5 Rewards
For a Tier 1-7 Module:
Character Level 1-2 = Sub-Tier 1-2 Rewards
Character Level 3-4 = Sub-Tier 3-4 Rewards
Character Level 5 = Sub-Tier 3-4 Rewards (because you would have to "play down")
Character Level 6-7 = Sub-Tier 6-7 Rewards
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Joseph
I'm pretty sure you are wrong. It has been discussed before - but it might be difficult to find.
Here is my understanding:
You GM a tier 1-5
If you have a level 1-2 character, then you apply a GM reward at that sub-tier. This is independent from level GMed (and backed up by an explicit example in the rules).
If you have a level 3 character, then you still apply a GM reward of sub-tier 1-2. This is explicitly stated.
If you have a level 4-5 character, then you apply a GM reward at that sub-tier.
It therefore might be clearer to drop the remark about what level you GMed in the rules as it seems misleading.
There is no written example in the rules - but as I said - I'm pretty positive that was the ruling by Josh. I originally understood it the same way - therefore I did follow very closely and Josh (?) did clarify it around half a year ago or so.
Thod
Ninjad twice - that's for looking up the rules. I think the sentence causing the issue is: The Tier for which a GM’s character receives credit depends on the character’s level and the sub-Tier played. . Actually the sub-Tier played doesn't really has any effect at all.
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They are both correct, you award at the Sub-tier of your character, if you fall between sub-tiers you always go down.
Also it is important to remember you can't give an award to a character that can't play in that tier. In other words if you have a level 6 character you can’t give that character a chronicle sheet if you are running a Tier 1-5 scenario you have to give it to a character level 1-5, or if you are running a Tier 7-11 scenario the level 6 character can put the award on hold until he gets to level 7 which at that point you can give him the chronicle sheet.
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Could you link me to where this has been talked about before? My search so far has failed me (and yes I have tried).
If I am mistaken, and it sounds like I am, this makes me very happy! :D
It is clearly stated in the rules, so it will be difficult to find someone commenting on it.
But maybe Mark or Hyrum will visit this thread.
Edit: I will admit people in the past have not seen it as clear though, and the wording was supposed to be changed to make it clearer.
Pg 29 of the Guide, "100% of the max gold for the tier most appropriate
to the GM’s character"
That seems very clear to me.
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[QUOTE="Guide to Pathfinder Society
Organized Play"]The Tier for which a GM’s character receives credit
depends on the character’s level and the sub-Tier played. If a GM with a level 1 rogue runs a sub-Tier 1–2 scenario,
she takes a sub-Tier 1–2 chronicle sheet for her level 1
rogue. If she runs a Tier 1–5 or Tier 1–7 scenario in any
sub-Tier other than 1–2 (such as sub-Tier 4–5 or sub-Tier
6–7), she still takes a sub-Tier 1–2 chronicle sheet.
If the GM with a low-level character runs any higher
Tier scenarios that don’t include a sub-Tier for her level 1
rogue, she takes the lowest sub-Tier chronicle sheet from
that scenario and holds it for her PC. Then, once her PC
achieves the appropriate level for that chronicle sheet, it
is immediately applied. For example, if a GM with a level
1 rogue runs a Tier 5–9 scenario, she would take a sub-
Tier 5–6 chronicle sheet (the lowest sub-Tier for that Tier)
for running the scenario and set it aside. Once her rogue
reaches level 5, she can immediately apply the chronicle
sheet to her character. This means that GM characters
can potentially level up in bursts.
Should a GM receive a chronicle sheet that indicates
her character is between tiers for (for example, if she runs
a Tier 1–5 scenario with sub-Tiers 1–2 and 4–5 but has
a level 3 character), she must always play down, taking a
chronicle sheet for the lower sub-Tier. This rule is meant
to balance the fact that the GM’s character does not have
to expend any resources while gaining a chronicle sheet
for running a scenario.
Hrm, I could have sworn it used an example that showed that if you get the chronicle appropriate to your charcter if you do not fall between teirs, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
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stuff from the guideIt never did, that is why Josh said he would make a future update clearer, that said. it does says..
100% of the max gold for the tier most appropriate to the GM’s character
right above what you quoted.
What about Items Found During This Scenario? Do GMs just not get that stuff then?
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What about Items Found During This Scenario? Do GMs just not get that stuff then?stuff from the guideIt never did, that is why Josh said he would make a future update clearer, that said. it does says..
100% of the max gold for the tier most appropriate to the GM’s character
right above what you quoted.
Trust me when I say "it doesn't matter." The items found during the scenario section of the chronicle sheets becomes increasingly worthless as time progresses. The only worthwhile items are the scrolls which wizards can automatically scribe, otherwise once you get to around level 3, you have the PA needed to purchase the vast majority of items you'll find on the sheets.
I wouldn't worry too much about the loss of that "reward".
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What about Items Found During This Scenario? Do GMs just not get that stuff then?stuff from the guideIt never did, that is why Josh said he would make a future update clearer, that said. it does says..
100% of the max gold for the tier most appropriate to the GM’s character
right above what you quoted.
The GM also gets the items on their Chronicle just no boons. It should be pretty well spelled out in the Guide under the GM Rewards section.
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Trust me when I say "it doesn't matter." The items found during the scenario section of the chronicle sheets becomes increasingly worthless as time progresses. The only worthwhile items are the scrolls which wizards can automatically scribe, otherwise once you get to around level 3, you have the PA needed to purchase the vast majority of items you'll find on the sheets.
I wouldn't worry too much about the loss of that "reward".
That's funny... I just ran a scenario that has an intelligent item for purchase on the chronicle sheet. >:)
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That's funny... I just ran a scenario that has an intelligent item for purchase on the chronicle sheet. >:)
I'd call this the exception rather than the rule. Only once have I purchased an item off my chronicle sheets, and that was for a Handy Haversack that showed up on a Tier 3-4 adventure that I played at level 2 because the rest of the table was level 4 (who almost all already had a Haversack purchased because they had enough PA).
Honestly, this is just one of my overall complaints about the non-boon rewards on chronicle sheets. Sure the occasional cool item (a wand of cure moderate wounds with reduced charges, or an intelligent item) occasionally show up, but the number of times those kinds of rewards show up isn't worth the complaining.
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Honestly, this is just one of my overall complaints about the non-boon rewards on chronicle sheets. Sure the occasional cool item (a wand of cure moderate wounds with reduced charges, or an intelligent item) occasionally show up, but the number of times those kinds of rewards show up isn't worth the complaining.
I agree that I would like to see more useful items on the sheets, but I do have to say that my fighters almost always find armor available before I have enough PA's to otherwise purchase it.
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Honestly, this is just one of my overall complaints about the non-boon rewards on chronicle sheets. Sure the occasional cool item (a wand of cure moderate wounds with reduced charges, or an intelligent item) occasionally show up, but the number of times those kinds of rewards show up isn't worth the complaining.I agree that I would like to see more useful items on the sheets, but I do have to say that my fighters almost always find armor available before I have enough PA's to otherwise purchase it.
Mark has said he is working on putting more useful stuff on the sheet, that you normally could not get.
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Honestly, this is just one of my overall complaints about the non-boon rewards on chronicle sheets. Sure the occasional cool item (a wand of cure moderate wounds with reduced charges, or an intelligent item) occasionally show up, but the number of times those kinds of rewards show up isn't worth the complaining.
Uh, consider this thread hi-jacked....:D
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That's funny... I just ran a scenario that has an intelligent item for purchase on the chronicle sheet. >:)
Not sure I follow you, since Intelligent items have been allowed from almost day 1. I asked around season 1 beginning and was told they were allowed to be purchased if you followed the rules in the PHB. Are you aware of them being restricted with sufficient PA to purchase them?
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That's funny... I just ran a scenario that has an intelligent item for purchase on the chronicle sheet. >:)Not sure I follow you, since Intelligent items have been allowed from almost day 1. I asked around season 1 beginning and was told they were allowed to be purchased if you followed the rules in the PHB. Are you aware of them being restricted with sufficient PA to purchase them?
What?..No NEVER!!! *Link*.
They have never been allowed unless they were on a chronicle sheet, which I never have seen, but I have not seen all Scenarios, and it seems they are on a few.
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So what's the answer on items? Like for instance, I'd hate it if I GM'd the scenario where you get the intelligent item at the end to buy, but can't buy it because I didn't actually play it.
As I understand it (but this is not written anywhere), GMs get all items appropriate but not boons, except for PFS Specials (like Year of the Shadow Lodge).
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So what's the answer on items? Like for instance, I'd hate it if I GM'd the scenario where you get the intelligent item at the end to buy, but can't buy it because I didn't actually play it.
As I understand it (but this is not written anywhere), GMs get all items appropriate but not boons, except for PFS Specials (like Year of the Shadow Lodge).
Yes, even though the wording in the GM Rewards section doesn't explicitly call it out the character the GM applies the Chronicle to gets item access just like any player that earned a Chronicle and has it applied to them. The GM character just doesn't get access to any of the boons.
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How can you edit a previous post? I didn't know you weren't supposed to post loot in these forums. Used to 4E RPGA and thinking the players are going to play all of the scenarios anyhow. However, I would like to delete my spoiler above.
You have 30 minutes to edit posts. After that, chances are it'll be that way permanently. You're on the GM section of the forums though, so I wouldn't worry too hard.