Question I've had for a while - multiple attacks, multiple opponents


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My warrior is in melee and is adjacent to three enemies. I have three attacks as a full round action. Can I spend one attack on each enemy?


Oh yes. You can decide who to hit with each attack separately. And you don't have to decide ahead of time! That means if you intended to hit one guy with two attacks but he falls after the first, the other one is not wasted!

You can even make your 5-foot step between attacks (but that only goes for the attacks in a regular full attack option. Special stuff like cleave, great cleave and whirlwind attack doesn't allow it), or make one attack and then decide whether you want to make more than one attack (and turn your attack action into a full attack action) or move after that attack.


That's always how we have played it. If that's the case - how does this work with the PF CLEAVE feat?

I guess you could use one of those attacks as a cleave, yes?

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Blake Duffey wrote:

That's always how we have played it. If that's the case - how does this work with the PF CLEAVE feat?

I guess you could use one of those attacks as a cleave, yes?

" As a standard action, you can make a single attack at your full base attack bonus against a foe within reach. "

Cleave cannot be used as part of a full attack.


Blake Duffey wrote:

That's always how we have played it. If that's the case - how does this work with the PF CLEAVE feat?

I guess you could use one of those attacks as a cleave, yes?

Cleave is a standard action. You basically agree to take one attack, and if it hits you get to attack someone adjacent to the victim.


Blake Duffey wrote:
My warrior is in melee and is adjacent to three enemies. I have three attacks as a full round action. Can I spend one attack on each enemy?

Yes. A better idea would be to attack enemy 1, see if he drops. If he does proceed to enemy 2. If not then attack enemy 1 again until he dies. Enemies at half hit points are still as dangerous as ones at full.


Blake Duffey wrote:

That's always how we have played it. If that's the case - how does this work with the PF CLEAVE feat?

I guess you could use one of those attacks as a cleave, yes?

1) Make your first attack (at the moment, a Standard Action)

2) If it hits, then you can 1)make one Cleave attack to an adjacent enemy, or 2)make it a Full-Round attack by using your other attacks.

So, it seems that you make that first attack attempt and then decide where to go from there. Is there something that says you MUST decide before attacking and hitting exactly what you can do?

As I see it, you can attack, hit, and decide what to do next. You can only decide to use Cleave on that first attack when you hit.


Here's a question:

Cleave says "As part of a standard action, you make a single attack."
Vital Strike says "When you use the attack action"

What's the difference as to when you can use either? Or, are they the same with regards to usage?


Tristan27 wrote:

1) Make your first attack (at the moment, a Standard Action)

2) If it hits, then you can 1)make one Cleave attack to an adjacent enemy

I think Cleave should be declared before the hit is made, since it's a specific action : you can't just declare a full-attack action (full-round action) and then decide to change it for a standard action. The actual use of Cleave is that you can use it after moving, so you can move towards two enemies next to each other and hit them both at once.

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Tristan27 wrote:
Blake Duffey wrote:

That's always how we have played it. If that's the case - how does this work with the PF CLEAVE feat?

I guess you could use one of those attacks as a cleave, yes?

1) Make your first attack (at the moment, a Standard Action)

2) If it hits, then you can 1)make one Cleave attack to an adjacent enemy, or 2)make it a Full-Round attack by using your other attacks.

So, it seems that you make that first attack attempt and then decide where to go from there. Is there something that says you MUST decide before attacking and hitting exactly what you can do?

As I see it, you can attack, hit, and decide what to do next. You can only decide to use Cleave on that first attack when you hit.

The order is always ->

  • Say what you are going to do
  • Roll the dice
  • Apply modifiers
  • Resolve whether it was a success or not.

    If the player doesn't make it abundantly clear he's using cleave or power attack before he rolls then he is making a normal attack action.


  • Tristan27 wrote:

    Here's a question:

    Cleave says "As part of a standard action, you make a single attack."
    Vital Strike says "When you use the attack action"

    What's the difference as to when you can use either? Or, are they the same with regards to usage?

    Vital Strike as written can be decided on just like power attack, which is just something that modifies an attack. By specifically stating vital strike as its own standard action it makes it clear when it can and can not be used.

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