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I am looking for a character builder for Gestalt characters with two to three classes. I have hero Labs and I can use it, but if both of the classes have spell casting abilities then it makes it to difficult to do :(
So I am certainly looking for a builder that can accommodate multiple classes gestalt characters and it fills the fields in automatically too.
Anyone have any suggestions out there?
Archery focused Paladin/Bard or melee focusedd with the Arcane Bard archetype. Paladins are spellcasting ligth so it shouldn't be difficult to do manually.
Barbarian/Cavalier with the mounted rage power and beast totem.
Monk/Druid, did somebody said Kung Fu Panda?
Oracle/ Paladin a true beacon of divine power.
Figther/ Monk, with the mobile archetype.
Humbly,
Yawar
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I rarely hear of gestalting done much anymore - is there even official rules for it (I know 3.5 had them) ? I know you can use same rules as D&D had but if it is not official even as an alternative rule most companies or people wont make it
but sorry I dont know of any builders that do it for you.
While some groups or even a lot of groups do not do Gestalt, there are still more then a few that do. For some reason my group seems to be one of the ones that seems to love to do them. Especially a couple of the GM's.
This is one of the main reasons I want to find a Gestalt character builder. It is not as easily done as it can be with a builder :)
Thanks
I am trying to recall if RPGXplorer did gestalt characters - I know they are one of the few that handled psionics.
Just checked, and it doesn't look like it handles gestalt. Alas.
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Yea RPG Xplorer is one of the ones I did look at and it doesn't :(
I am kind of disappointed. So many people have come on here and stated how all the other character builders out there are better then Hero Labs and yet HL seems to be the only one that even remotely versatile enough to handle Gestalt characters.
Funny how life throws us curves like this eh :)
I feel your pain.
I use a variation of Gestalt for multiclassing in our game. Basically, if your character multiclasses, nothing stacks (not saves, hit points, BAB, spell points/slots, skill points, etc...). So, your character could be a fighter5/cleric4 and have a BAB of 5 (because the BAB from cleric wouldn't stack with that from fighter). Works like a relaxed form of AD&D multiclassing with a unified XP progression.
No character builder I know of can handle it. I almost purchased Hero Lab, til I concluded that it likely couldn't handle it.
For me, this style multiclassing is what 3.x/PF should have had from the beginning of 3rd edition.
I clicked on this thread hoping that someone had found a character builder that could handle it.
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Actually Hero Labs CAN handle it.. just not with two caster classes is all. If you use one casting class and or two of the other classes then Hero Labs is all over it.
They are actually working on having the ability to Gestalt with multiple casting classes for Pathfinder too... but until they do I was hoping there was another one though I could use meanwhile for casting classes :)
I've never touched gestalt and don't know of any Character Builder that supports it.
Have you tried any of the free or paid(The Only Sheet) Excel sheets out there?
Although for 3.5, maybe DM/Player Genie supports it?
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I didn't even know HeroLab supported it. Is it a 3.5 feature, or is there some way to do in in the PFRPG that has eluded me?
You can go in to the Editor and combine the two classes together. It is really easy to do. I have most of the combinations done for the ones that do not have two casting classes like the Cleric/bard or Sorcerer/wizard type of combo. Hero Labs does not support two casting classes yet but they are working on them. Yes this is a feature of the PFRPG Editor :)
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The only one that ever did is the spreadsheet known as Heroforge. There's a group for it on Yahoo and you should be able to google and find the various hosting sites for it.
This does require the Windows version of Excel, it will NOT work on the Mac.
Unfortunately that is only 3.4 and 4e that it supports though and not Pathfinder at all :(
I like Heroforge and all but if it supported Pathfinder I might support it more.
Hey Deanoth, send me an e-mail at: another.mage.314@gmail.com
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I am fully aware that yes it IS a 3.0/3.5 mechanic. As far as your opinion as to having a problem with the mechanic itself that is something for you to decide. Unfortunately it is my group that uses that mechanic FOR Pathfinder, not my choice but theirs. Since they are doing this I am trying to find a character builder to help me with the building of my characters so I do not make any mistakes since I am not a huge fan of Gestalt.
Hence the OP asking for suggestions as to a character builder besides Hero Labs that can handle Gestalt. Not opinions as to whether you like them :)
(which I don't) but I keep on keeping on and adapt.
I don't know, but maybe because not that many builders/generators are available or made?
No one else has any suggestions?? I am really surprised to say the least. what with everyone's typical opinion on builders and their zealotry about character builders and no one has a suggestion?
Carefully dipping my toe into the water here.....
You can do it in PCGen, however it means creating your own lst (IE. data file) by hand and comparing the two classes that you want to combine.
For instance in file: @\data\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\core_rulebook\pfcr_classes_base.lst which is the file that defines each of the base classes, you would add a, lets say Fighter/Cleric class to the file, but taking the "better" of the f/c options data.
CLASS:Cleric HD:8 TYPE:Base.PC ABB:Clr MAXLEVEL:20 SOURCEPAGE:p.38 LANGBONUS:Abyssal,Celestial,Infernal DEFINE:ClericLvl|CL BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Fortitude,BASE.Will|CL/2+2 BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Reflex|CL/3 BONUS:COMBAT|BAB|CL*3/4|TYPE=Base.REPLACE
and
CLASS:Fighter HD:10 TYPE:Base.PC ABB:Ftr MAXLEVEL:20 SOURCEPAGE:p.55 DEFINE:FighterLvl|CL BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Fortitude|CL/2+2 BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Reflex,BASE.Will|CL/3 BONUS:COMBAT|BAB|CL|TYPE=Base.REPLACE
would "combine" to
CLASS:FighterCleric HD:10 TYPE:Base.PC.Gestalt ABB:GFC MAXLEVEL:20 SOURCEPAGE:p.xx DEFINE:FighterLvl|CL DEFINE:ClericLvl|CL LANGBONUS:Abyssal,Celestial,Infernal BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Fortitude,BASE.Will|CL/2+2 BONUS:CHECKS|BASE.Reflex|CL/3 BONUS:COMBAT|BAB|CL|TYPE=Base.REPLACE
which is the better of each value. You would have to go down the file for each class and do the same thing. It is work. I suspect even for those of us who are fairly good at updating lst files that it would take about an hour for each combination. It also helps knowing some of the "under the hood" issues, but this can be picked up and questions can be asked and will be answered on the PCGen List File Help Yahoo group.
-- david
Papa.DRB
PCGen Yahoo Groups Moderator
PCGen Data Monkey, Lemur
ps. All I am doing is answering his question on is there another way. I am not saying this is the best or only way. If you have a PCGen hate on, take it somewhere else please.
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Actually this is very very helpful.
If it could be done with say Paladin/Cleric or Sorcerer/Wizard type thing then this would be very very helpful again :)
I do NOT have hate I started this thread with an open mind and I am trying to keep an open mind. But it was in my experience before that PCGen was not capable of it. I appreciate some one setting me straight and correct on it. Thanks!
-jon
Actually this is very very helpful.
If it could be done with say Paladin/Cleric or Sorcerer/Wizard type thing then this would be very very helpful again :)
I do NOT have hate I started this thread with an open mind and I am trying to keep an open mind. But it was in my experience before that PCGen was not capable of it. I appreciate some one setting me straight and correct on it. Thanks!
-jon
Yes, it can be done with any class combination. You just have to line by line go down the base class list and take the better when there is a duplicate. You are essentially creating a new class that has attributes of both. I do not know enough about the detailed gestalt rules to say what you would do with a sorcerer/wizard (both spell progressions?), although that one will be tricky, because of the spellstat token. I would have to look into that more.
-- david
Papa.DRB
ps. Not saying you specifically but there are some here that are so caught up in the chargen they prefer that everything else stinks. Just trying to stave off that kind of nonsense.
Thanks for sharing the info about PC Gen, Papa-DRB. I appreciate it.
I do not know enough about the detailed gestalt rules to say what you would do with a sorcerer/wizard (both spell progressions?)...
I don't know how it officially works, but the way we'd do a gestalt Sorcerer/Wizard, at our table, is that the character would get
the Sorcerer's spells known,the Sorcerer's spell slots (since they are better than the Wizard's),
and the ability to prepare spells from spellbooks like a Wizard.
I wouldn't allow both sets of spell slots. Just the best set. Same with any spellcaster class gestalt combo.
I don't know how it officially works
According to the Gestalt rules in Unearthed Arcana (pp.74-75), you get both sets of slots. This is to make up for the fact that you don't get better hit points, armor class, base attack bonus, or saving throws, like almost any other gestalt combination would.
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The main thing about using a Gestalt type of character building is the fact you get the best of both classes and throw away the worst of it. But you also get the higher CR rating as well as encounter levels with the creatures you face. So yes there are certain advantages but they equal out with the disadvantages too.
Papa-DRB
Not sure actually how to do the line progression in PCGen for certain. It will be interesting to say the least. I am happy just to be able to get to the point where I feel fairly competent in the use of the Editor in Hero Labs finally :)
So does anyone else have any good ideas as to suggestions on a character builders??
Any other help would be appreciated! :)
so the wizard sorceror would mem each days spells into the sorceror's spell known & then be able to cast any of them spontaneously up to spells availble per day??
Another_Mage has posted the 'official' rules and they're different from mine. In mine, the Gestalt Sorcerer/Wizard would get the Sorcerer's spell slots and be able to cast his/her Sorcerer spells spontaneously using those slots. He/She could also prepare Wizard spells using those slots and drop a prepared Wizard spell to spontaneously cast one of his/her Sorcerer spells.
My line of thinking is that just like the BAB from Fighter/Ranger wouldn't stack, spell slots shouldn't either.
And, yes, that's different from the Unearthed Arcana rules.
I would love to see the herolab gestalt file.
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