Not that I know of,
but look at your own referances they tend to use monster books.
The first massive wave of monster books from publishers have just started to appear, though Adamant had a series I have not heard of people finding anything that set the place on fire, the rest of the 3pp are just now following with Book of Beasts, Book of Monster Templates, Forgotten Foes, and I forget the name of 4WFG monster book that is in the works.
That's an interesting question, and like Steve I can't think of any Pathfinder-specific 3pp Paizo has used yet. But I also think it's a bit early to assume they aren't going to.
First, the full flow of pathfinder 3pp is still ramping up, and none of it is that old yet. Paizo will likely be looking for buzz about things players and GMs find useful over the long haul. But there really hasn't been a "long haul" yet to see what material proves most popular.
Second, there is a TON of 3.5/3.0 3pp material, and Paizo has borrowed from it fairly often, which I think is a good thing. And their designers and editors know about a lot of that material (heck, some of them wrote a bunch of it), so it's only natural for them to use that first. I'm not sure anyone was really reusing OGC in the first 18 months of the OGL, and we're still in that time period for Pathfinder.
On the other hand, there are some reasons why Paizo might not use any Pathfinder-specific OGC. For example, when they do use 3.x OGC material they rewrite it to Pathfinder, which gives them a built-in level of customization. Since they'll have to rewrite it anyway, there's no need to use only things that are a perfect match. If they borrow Pathfinder-comp OGC, any rewrite comes at the potential cost of dividing current users into camps who prefer the original version or the Paizo version, which may not be worth the hassle.
Also, a lot of designers writing Pathfinder-comp 3pp are also freelancing for Paizo. That means that Paizo has access to their creativity directly, and can just hire them to create whatever is needed.
What I would love to see is a variation on the "Best of d20..." book Monte Cook did, that not only found and collected the best of Pathfinder-OGC, but then allowed it in Pathfinder Society organized play. It's my pie-in-the-sky wish for Paizo support of their 3pp.
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I agree that would be cool Owen but think it is a bit early for that. I mean I think a lot of people(not directed at you owen) forget that pathfinder is barely over a year old as a game and that paizo tends to plan out stuff at least 6 months to a year in advance. Add in they are still settling in on how they want to do things and I think it is a bit early to expect them to take advantage of their own 3pp support yet. Now maybe not this gen con coming but the next one. Then I might see them do something like that. A collected best 3pp stuff from the first two years of Pathfinder, for PFS play.
The one 3PP material that I would think Paizo would be interested in using would be the psionic rules from Dreamscarred Press. Psionics have such a small fallowing that for Paizo to focus on it would not be a good use of their resources. While for a 3PP publisher it is a great idea and they could support it with online only products & PDFs.
The problem with using third-party material in an adventure is that you have to essentially copy over everything that a GM would need to run it, and that chews up word count something fierce. Not saying that it can't be done, but, there is a practical side to the equation. :)
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A Best of Pathfinder 3PP material would be very interesting ... the question that comes to my mind though is who would compile and publish it? Someone give Monte a call :)
I agree that the soon to be released psionic book from Dreamscarred Press will be a very interesting, and in many ways unique, case. I am very curious to see how things pan out once the book is out ...
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A Best of Pathfinder 3PP material would be very interesting ... the question that comes to my mind though is who would compile and publish it? Someone give Monte a call :)
I agree that the soon to be released psionic book from Dreamscarred Press will be a very interesting case. I will be very curious to see how things pan out once the book is out ...
I'd offer to do it... but I would just auction the slots off to the highest bidder. :)
I agree that the soon to be released psionic book from Dreamscarred Press will be a very interesting, and in many ways unique, case. I am very curious to see how things pan out once the book is out ...
LPJ Design originally planned to support the Dreamscarred psionic system in the Obsidian Twilight and A Place Beyond Hell sourcebooks, but due to a timing issues we couldn't support it in the release. But when the final Psionic rules are released, we WILL being doing Psionic sourcebook and system that you can intergrate int the Obsidian Twilight setting.
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I agree that the soon to be released psionic book from Dreamscarred Press will be a very interesting, and in many ways unique, case. I am very curious to see how things pan out once the book is out ...LPJ Design originally planned to support the Dreamscarred psionic system in the Obsidian Twilight and A Place Beyond Hell sourcebooks, but due to a timing issues we couldn't support it in the release. But when the final Psionic rules are released, we WILL being doing Psionic sourcebook and system that you can intergrate int the Obsidian Twilight setting.
I don't want to turn this thread into a psionics thread, but I do agree that if/until Paizo does a psionics book some day in the future, I am betting that the Dreamscarred Pathfinder psionic book will pretty much become THE defacto psionic rules for the majority of Pathfinder games wanting psionics. I know I have a pretty cool idea I've been toying with for quite some time and I plan on using the Dreamscarred rules when they come out for my idea ...
@Jadeite,
You mean the Book of Fiends by Eric Mona? :)
What Owen said.
Owen, any chance of asking Monte if he would be interested in doing it? Kickstarter/Patronage for the art costs? I could see if Cubicle Seven would be interesting in doing a print/distribution run.
Owen, any chance of asking Monte if he would be interested in doing it? Kickstarter/Patronage for the art costs? I could see if Cubicle Seven would be interesting in doing a print/distribution run.
If a best-of Pathfinder-OGC is going to work, I think it's going to have to come from Paizo. And I agree it may well be too early for such a thing, so I'm taking a wait-and-see approach for now.
Well, wait-and-see-and-keep-producing-a-pdf-and-five-rooms-of-a-dungeon-every-wee k approach.
To my knowledge, the Pathfinder Society modules have been free of any third party content.
I know of just one low level PFS scenario that uses third party content. #35 pulls a monster from the Tome of Horrors.
Assuming Paizo does use any 3rd party content, I'd expect the vast majority to be monsters. they're the easiest to import and the stat blocks are mostly self contained (or use the base books).
Assuming Paizo does use any 3rd party content, I'd expect the vast majority to be monsters. they're the easiest to import and the stat blocks are mostly self contained (or use the base books).
This is about what I'd expect, as well.
Non-casting classes are also possibilities, since many of the parts of the class can be easily worked into a stat block, but much more and you have to include a fair bit of reprinted material.
Non-casting classes are also possibilities,
Actually, I'd expect classes (caster or otherwise) to be used the least. Classes require the most playtesting to insure balance. Heck, Paizo has yet to release a full base class without doing a significant amount of open playtesting. Unless it is Psionics or some other "powersource" (to borrow a 4Eism), I don't expect them to use anything from the alternate base classes.
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Actually, I'd expect classes (caster or otherwise) to be used the least. Classes require the most playtesting to insure balance. Heck, Paizo has yet to release a full base class without doing a significant amount of open playtesting. Unless it is Psionics or some other "powersource" (to borrow a 4Eism), I don't expect them to use anything from the alternate base classes.
They released the Anti Paladin without a playtest, as well as the archetypes which in some cases come pretty close to new base classes.
Also, there's a lot of difference between releasing a base class for player use and using a third party class for a NPC in a module.
Well I am wondering, how many people use 3PP in their normal Pathfinder gaming sessions?
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Well I am wondering, how many people use 3PP in their normal Pathfinder gaming sessions?
The biggest 3PP for Pathfinder would probably be WotC. Lots of people still use 3.5 classes and other rules in their games.
I'd think that people who like Pathfinder would have less reservations against third party products since Pathfinder itself started as one.
On the other hand, 3PP material for Pathfinder seems very different than d20 3PP material. Back than, there were many campaign settings, modules and sourcebooks, while most Pathfinder compatible material seems to be pdf-only microcontent like new feats and base classes. While Paizo produces a steady stream of modules, the other sections seem rather saturated, although I'm not sure who well such products would sell and how feasible it would be to produce them for the current 3PPs.
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Well I am wondering, how many people use 3PP in their normal Pathfinder gaming sessions?
I do upon occassion. I prefer to use Monster Books more than class books, but am not, in theory, opposed to anything that makes the game flow better. I also greatly appreciate seeing writers draw material from 3pp work, again, especially monsters.
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Well I am wondering, how many people use 3PP in their normal Pathfinder gaming sessions?
I do or will. The game I run is currently on break due to RL stuff. I know another game I play in does as well but we only play once a month. And the 3rd and 4th games that some of my friends play in but I can't attend, one is core only and the other uses 3pp stuff.
By the way it was the Nightmare Creature Template that was used in the The Beggar's Pearl
Paizo has yet to release a full base class without doing a significant amount of open playtesting.
They released the Anti Paladin without a playtest, as well as the archetypes which in some cases come pretty close to new base classes.
From a player's prospective, archetypes and the AntiPaladin are similar to a base class, but from a designer's prospective, they're apples and oranges. There is no balance difference between Smite Good and Smite Evil. Both are equally balanced. The Auras of Sin and Depravity are equal (from a designer's prospective) the Auras of Faith and Righteousness, respectively. Something like that doesn't require nearly as much playtesting.
Compare that to a new base class design. Is the alchemist's total power and versatility so much less than a rogue that it requires two good saves instead of the rogue's 1? Is the expanded spell list the Wizard has over the Witch worth the ability to choose a new Hex at every other level? Is the Inquisitor's expanded spell casting ability worth a lower BAB compares to a paladin and is the lower spell casting compared to the cleric worth the judgements and bane and teamwork feats and does the class not overshadow the bard? These are questions a designer doesn't have to ask when designing archetypes and alternate class features (or atleast to the same degree) but must ask themselves when designing a new class. Balanced class design is much tricker than coming up with a swap out class feature.