Grappling makes me lose access to Improved Grapple?


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Liberty's Edge

Okay, I am going to be making my PFS character and an odd thought occured to me...

PF RPG p555 wrote:
Some spells and abilities cause you to take an ability penalty for a limited amount of time. While in effect, these penalties function just like ability damage, but they cannot cause you to fall unconscious or die.

So if my character takes a penalty to an Ability it is in effect just as if my character had taken Ability damage.

PF RPG p112 wrote:
Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. [...] A character can’t use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself.

So if a penalty to an Ability causes it to be less than needed to meet a pre-requisite for a Feat, I assume my character lose access to that feat - is this correct?

If so, then I might have a problem...

PF RPG p127 wrote:

Improved Grapple (Combat)

You are skilled at grappling opponents.
Prerequisite: Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike.
PF RPG p567 wrote:

Grappled: A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a –4

penalty to Dexterity.

So if my character had a Dexterity less than 17, would he lose access to the Improved Grapple feat as soon as he became grappled (as his effective Dexterity would now be below the pre-requisite 13)?

Please say I am wrong!!!!!!!

My only defense against such a ruling would be:

PF RPG p555 wrote:
Diseases, poisons, spells, and other abilities can all deal damage directly to your ability scores. This damage does not actually reduce an ability, but it does apply a penalty to the skills and statistics that are based on that ability.


Only ability drain actually reduces your ability score. Ability damage only imposes a penalty to things that use that ability.

So, you only lose access to feats with ability requirements if you take ability drain; not if you take ability damage or penalties.

Liberty's Edge

Are wrote:

Only ability drain actually reduces your ability score. Ability damage only imposes a penalty to things that use that ability.

So, you only lose access to feats with ability requirements if you take ability drain; not if you take ability damage or penalties.

Phew! Thanks, I was hoping that interpretation was correct :)

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