My Eidolon is stoned! What now?

[Fractured DM]

as in Petrified ie Turned to Stone. lol

Last game our Summoner's Eidolon was turned to stone by a Cockatrice and I ruled that that classed as being "slain" thus sending the Eidolon back to its home plane.
So was that the right thing to do?

If so, what happens now?
- Does the Eidolon come back the next day unpetrified?
- Does it need to make the saves each day and if so what happens if it fails the final save?
- Can it even be summoned in that condition?

Please help!
FDM

[cfalcon]

You ruled differently than the rules for Flesh to Stone, which is what the Cockatrice simulates upon finally getting the last bite in.

"The subject, along with all its carried gear, turns into a mindless, inert statue. If the statue resulting from this spell is broken or damaged, the subject (if ever returned to its original state) has similar damage or deformities. The creature is not dead, but it does not seem to be alive either when viewed with spells such as deathwatch.

Only creatures made of flesh are affected by this spell."

The Eidolon should not be dead- it should be summonable as a statue.

By rules:

-No, but you can summon it multiple times and it should not have been banished
-Yes- upon failing the last save it is permanently petrified as if by the spell (which can be undone by any of the normal methods to restore petrified characters)
-Yes

However, if you ruled that it's the same as death, then I would suggest you go with:
-Yes, but it can't be summoned until the next day, same as if it died.

[ProfessorCirno]

Get him somewhere comfortable to hang out, have lots of food nearby, and put on some movies that aren't really good to see how awesome they seem now. In general, just relax, chill out, and enjoy the night.

[w0nkothesane]

ProfessorCirno wrote:

Get him somewhere comfortable to hang out, have lots of food nearby, and put on some movies that aren't really good to see how awesome they seem now. In general, just relax, chill out, and enjoy the night.

This.

cfalcon wrote:

By rules:

-No, but you can summon it multiple times and it should not have been banished
-Yes- upon failing the last save it is permanently petrified as if by the spell (which can be undone by any of the normal methods to restore petrified characters)
-Yes

However, if you ruled that it's the same as death, then I would suggest you go with:
-Yes, but it can't be summoned until the next day, same as if it died.

Oh and this I guess.

[ThornDJL7]

My understanding when I skimmed the eidolon rules that in fact you weren't summoning the same creature over and over neccesarily, sure by coincidence you may, but that you're summoning a creature matching your evolutions description. I was lead to further believe this by reading one Jacobs posts on the flavor of having your eidolon treated as simply a tool and expendable or loving it like you're some pokemon freak.

[PirateDevon]

Do Eidolons actually have -flesh-?

[cfalcon]

ThornDJL7 wrote:

My understanding when I skimmed the eidolon rules that in fact you weren't summoning the same creature over and over neccesarily

Pretty sure that's wrong:

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A summoner begins play with the ability to summon to his side a powerful outsider called an eidolon. The eidolon forms a link with the summoner, who, forever after, summons an aspect of the same creature.

Also note:

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A summoner can summon his eidolon in a ritual that takes 1 minute to perform. When summoned in this way, the eidolon hit points are unchanged from the last time it was summoned. The only exception to this is if the eidolon was slain, in which case it returns with half its normal hit points. The eidolon does not heal naturally. The eidolon remains until dismissed by the summoner (a standard action). If the eidolon is sent back to its home plane due to death, it cannot be summoned again until the following day.

So there's explicit rules text that contradicts your idea of multiple creatures, and it's very obvious from the rest that it doesn't jive with that.

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loving it like you're some pokemon freak.

This is the class, in a nutshell.

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Do Eidolons actually have -flesh-?

Yes.

[Aris Kosmopoulos]

cfalcon wrote:

-Yes- upon failing the last save it is permanently petrified as if by the spell (which can be undone by any of the normal methods to restore petrified characters)

If you are in despair and cannot find a spell to solve the problem (turning it back to normal), would you allow to break it down in to pieces (using a maul) in order to kill it and then summon it at have of its hit points?

So the question really is can you kill a petrified creature. If I am a poor peasant and my wife was petrified, can I somehow kill her without the use of magic in order to let her soul rest in the realm of her god/s?

[cfalcon]

Aris Kosmopoulos wrote:

cfalcon wrote:

-Yes- upon failing the last save it is permanently petrified as if by the spell (which can be undone by any of the normal methods to restore petrified characters)

If you are in despair and cannot find a spell to solve the problem (turning it back to normal), would you allow to break it down in to pieces (using a maul) in order to kill it and then summon it at have of its hit points?

So the question really is can you kill a petrified creature. If I am a poor peasant and my wife was petrified, can I somehow kill her without the use of magic in order to let her soul rest in the realm of her god/s?

I wouldn't allow it for just breaking it apart, because the rules say you can turn it back and then they are a bunch of, uh, chunks. The rules don't cover it, but I'd definitely assume that a statue dissolved, disintegrated, or otherwise rendered not rock would kill the creature and allow the release of the soul. Basically, I'd treat it as guided by the rules under Polymorph Any Object (or at least the old ones) that give you ideas about how to deal damage to a creature polymorphed into a foreign form such as rock or dust.