Are fiendish horses docile? Seriously?
If so, and an antipaladin uses Fiendish Boon to gain a fiendish horse, does that mean it needs to be trained for combat?
Well, technically you can't summon a horse. The list is:
Ant, soldier* —
Ape* —
Aurochs (herd animal)* —
Boar* —
Cheetah* —
Constrictor snake* —
Crocodile* —
Dire bat* —
Dretch (demon) Chaotic, Evil
Electric eel* —
Giant lizard* —
Lantern archon Good, Lawful
Leopard (cat)* —
Shark* —
Wolverine*
And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.
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Are fiendish horses docile? Seriously?
If so, and an antipaladin uses Fiendish Boon to gain a fiendish horse, does that mean it needs to be trained for combat?
Yes.
The Anti-Paladin has a range of cool options for his pet. If he chooses a horse then that horse has not had magical combat-training but he can train it or pay someone else to train it.
Perhaps you are simply quibbling because they have used the term 'docile'. Perhaps it would be better to imagine that the horse was 'wild' but if that happened your anti-paladin would have to break it before he could train it. Then just use the less interesting term 'untrained'.
Horses are grazing herbivores, not predators.
Why would a fiendish horse have special combat-training? I don't imagine hell to be full of of people who just love training horses.
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Well, technically you can't summon a horse. The list is:
Ant, soldier* —
Ape* —
Aurochs (herd animal)* —
Boar* —
Cheetah* —
Constrictor snake* —
Crocodile* —
Dire bat* —
Dretch (demon) Chaotic, Evil
Electric eel* —
Giant lizard* —
Lantern archon Good, Lawful
Leopard (cat)* —
Shark* —
Wolverine*And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.
That's the Summon Monster III list.
Anti-paladins start with the Summon Monster II list and work up to bigger and better beasts.
Well, technically you can't summon a horse. The list is:
Ant, soldier* —
Ape* —
Aurochs (herd animal)* —
Boar* —
Cheetah* —
Constrictor snake* —
Crocodile* —
Dire bat* —
Dretch (demon) Chaotic, Evil
Electric eel* —
Giant lizard* —
Lantern archon Good, Lawful
Leopard (cat)* —
Shark* —
Wolverine*And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.
That's the Summon Monster III list.
Anti-paladins start with the Summon Monster II list and work up to bigger and better beasts.
Really? My copy says (p.122):The second type of bond allows an antipaladin to
gain the service of a fiendish servant. This functions as summon monster III, except the duration is permanent and the antipaladin can only gain the service of a single creature and that creature must either have the chaotic and evil subtypes or it must be a fiendish animal.
Why would a fiendish horse have special combat-training? I don't imagine hell to be full of of people who just love training horses.
The next thing we know, you'll be telling us that Santa Claus isn't real! Seriously, everyone in Hell knows how to train a horse. *rolls eyes*
Why would a fiendish horse have special combat-training? I don't imagine hell to be full of of people who just love training horses.The next thing we know, you'll be telling us that Santa Claus isn't real! Seriously, everyone in Hell knows how to train a horse. *rolls eyes*
Replace the word 'train' with 'torture', and the word 'horse' with the word 'soul' and i'm on board!
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Anti-paladins start with the Summon Monster II list and work up to bigger and better beasts.Really? My copy says (p.122):The second type of bond allows an antipaladin to
gain the service of a fiendish servant. This functions as summon monster III, except the duration is permanent and the antipaladin can only gain the service of a single creature and that creature must either have the chaotic and evil subtypes or it must be a fiendish animal.
You're right.
I'm an idiot, ignore me.
Anti-paladins start with the Summon Monster II list and work up to bigger and better beasts.Really? My copy says (p.122):The second type of bond allows an antipaladin to
gain the service of a fiendish servant. This functions as summon monster III, except the duration is permanent and the antipaladin can only gain the service of a single creature and that creature must either have the chaotic and evil subtypes or it must be a fiendish animal.You're right.
I'm an idiot, ignore me.
No you're not.
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No you're not.Anti-paladins start with the Summon Monster II list and work up to bigger and better beasts.Really? My copy says (p.122):The second type of bond allows an antipaladin to
gain the service of a fiendish servant. This functions as summon monster III, except the duration is permanent and the antipaladin can only gain the service of a single creature and that creature must either have the chaotic and evil subtypes or it must be a fiendish animal.You're right.
I'm an idiot, ignore me.
Ah, curse the limits of text communication.
That was wry, self-deprecating britishness, nothing more.
I should have said.
"You're right.
My mistake, everyone ignore my post."
everyone in Hell
But Antipas are CE, they don't even like hell.
Keep in mind, however, that summoning creatures from a lower level spell list is always possible. If you wanted to summon a Fiendish Eagle as your bonded buddy, it's certainly legal.
Exactly. And I was like, well, how about an evil mount? Except there aren't suitable higher level mounts, and it appears the horse may not be trained for combat. It's fiendishly docile.
In 3.5, the fiendish template gave the creature an Int of 3 and made it a magical beast, which was odd in some respects but did mean it could speak your language and didn't need to be trained, per se.
And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.
Actually, rules as written, it has everything to do with whether it's combat trained.
Obvious spot for DM latitude to say that no, a fiendish horse isn't the slightest bit docile, but that's the DM deciding to ignore the rule on the fly, not the absence of such a rule.
Fiendishly Docile.
Band name.
And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.Actually, rules as written, it has everything to do with whether it's combat trained.
Obvious spot for DM latitude to say that no, a fiendish horse isn't the slightest bit docile, but that's the DM deciding to ignore the rule on the fly, not the absence of such a rule.
My point being that a boar isn't docile either, but is not trained.
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"Do not step too close!" Sinner Vemeth cried out to her fellow eternal sufferer.
Sinner Althas heeded her warning, her outstretched hand, twisted and wrapped just as his own in coarse gray skin scarred by the hellish winds of their endless prison. He wiped away the bloody tears that streamed without end and blinked to clear his eyes.
His gaze followed Vemmeth's quaking, pointing hand.
He nearly fell to his knees, screaming at the madness of it.
It stood in the field before them, not even deigning to acknowledge the presence of the insignificant damned. A horse, a steed of unholy symmetry and devilish design. Its mane flaming and wild. Its coat the color of blood. The wings sprouting from its flanks, as twisted as a bat's.
Its monstrous head bowed gracefully as it grazed upon stinging nettles with sadistic glee. The relentless chewing of the hellish plantlife was an unbearable cacophony of grinding and crunching that reminded both of the damned of their millenia as mortar-slaves in the great walled city of Pragothas.
Althas the Damned shook with terror and wept. Vemmeth's cheeks too were stained with trickling blood. "Oh Asmodeus....please spare us its wrath..."
The infernal equine suddenly, hatefully, flicked its tail to drive off the buzzing Baelzespawn harrassing it. The sudden demonstration of its ungodly might sent the Sinners reeling backwards in fright, clutching each other for what comfort they could find as the horse of Hell continued to graze.
"It knows we are here!" Althas blubbered like a child. "It will turn on us at any moment!"
"We have to run!"
"It will surely catch us with its legs so swift!"
The damned fell silent as the irredeemable hellbeast's tail rose for but a moment. They watched in horror as pure malice and evil was excreted upon the forever scortched plains of Hell.
The Sinners wailed and clawed at the cruelly cracked earth beneath them until they found their footing and fled back into the howling wastes from which they came. They would not stop until they found themselves skewered upon the halberds of a barbazu patrol, who would see to their alotted torments for the next two eons.
Even that the two Eternally Damned considered a mercy compared to the silently promised horrors that would inevitably be visited upon them by the pony of Perdition.
And lo, upon that field of broken rock and barbed thistle, the satanic steed continued to graze in peace. Forever patient and waiting. Biding its time as worlds unseen fell into darkness.
My point being that a boar isn't docile either, but is not trained.And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.Actually, rules as written, it has everything to do with whether it's combat trained.
Obvious spot for DM latitude to say that no, a fiendish horse isn't the slightest bit docile, but that's the DM deciding to ignore the rule on the fly, not the absence of such a rule.
Of course not; boars don't have the "Docile" 'special ability'. Only horses do. And the rules are quite clear: horses that are not trained for combat are docile.
Of course not; boars don't have the "Docile" 'special ability'. Only horses do. And the rules are quite clear: horses that are not trained for combat are docile.My point being that a boar isn't docile either, but is not trained.And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.Actually, rules as written, it has everything to do with whether it's combat trained.
Obvious spot for DM latitude to say that no, a fiendish horse isn't the slightest bit docile, but that's the DM deciding to ignore the rule on the fly, not the absence of such a rule.
wow. *facepalm* I have never seen that. Live and learn, cheers.
Of course not; boars don't have the "Docile" 'special ability'. Only horses do. And the rules are quite clear: horses that are not trained for combat are docile.My point being that a boar isn't docile either, but is not trained.And whether it's docile or not has nothing to do with whether it's trained.Actually, rules as written, it has everything to do with whether it's combat trained.
Obvious spot for DM latitude to say that no, a fiendish horse isn't the slightest bit docile, but that's the DM deciding to ignore the rule on the fly, not the absence of such a rule.
wow. *facepalm* I have never seen that. Live and learn, cheers.
Band name.Fiendishly Docile.
Isn't it an alignment?