I'm considering Craft Wondrous Items just to be able to make Tomes out the wazoo to become a demigod.
With Tomes/Wishes, you can get only a maximum of +5 bonus to any one ability score.
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Looking at the modifier table shows a potential of scores up to 45...I assume scores that high are rarely seen.
Among PCs that would be exceedingly rare. Monsters, on the other hand, can get quite high up there :)
well remember tomes and manuals only go up to +5 and you can only use 1 per ability score, well you can use more, but they don't stack, they overlap until you hit the +5.
Yes, you are only limited to a +5 inherent bonus (which is what the books give). However, they do stack, just as long as you don't exceed +5 between all of the books. You can do 5 +1 books, a +5 book, 2 +2 books and a +1 book, etc.
Let me just say, once you've played a PC with 60 strength you never go back ;)
but really, as things don't stack, you would have to spezialize in the augmenting of an ability score, and altough it is funny, I would never use it for long campaigns.
Wait, I thought you could buy the books piece meal? I understand bonuses normally don't stack, you take the highest of the two. But that is when you are trying to equip two items or two or more spells of the same type bonus.
Since the books add a permanent increase to your ability and you don't have to equip the book, I wouldn't figure it worked the same in this instance.
Wait, I thought you could buy the books piece meal? I understand bonuses normally don't stack, you take the highest of the two. But that is when you are trying to equip two items or two or more spells of the same type bonus.
Since the books add a permanent increase to your ability and you don't have to equip the book, I wouldn't figure it worked the same in this instance.
Ah, but the books grant inherent bonuses, which do not stack. So buying piecemeal is going to just cost you money in the long run. Just get it done in one shot for that +5 inherent bonus and be done with it.
Ah, but the books grant inherent bonuses, which do not stack. So buying piecemeal is going to just cost you money in the long run. Just get it done in one shot for that +5 inherent bonus and be done with it.Wait, I thought you could buy the books piece meal? I understand bonuses normally don't stack, you take the highest of the two. But that is when you are trying to equip two items or two or more spells of the same type bonus.
Since the books add a permanent increase to your ability and you don't have to equip the book, I wouldn't figure it worked the same in this instance.
They probably should stack - as should wishes - up to +5, because they all cost the same amount (e.g. 5 +1 tomes cost the same amount as 1 +5), but per the rules they don't.
Yeah, just looked it up. Ouch. That's one expensive magic item.
Now, when crafting the books/tomes, it requires a Wish or Miracle. Now, are you able to use one Wish or Miracle, even for books higher than +1?
At least under the Wish spell, where it says you can wish for stat increases (inherent), it indicates you need to cast 2-5 Wishes in immediate succession (depending on what plus you want) if you want higher than +1.
Even though it doesn't say so, I assume that is the same in making the books/tomes? You need more than one Wish to make a book higher than +1 (two Wishes for +2, three for +3, etc)?
They probably should stack - as should wishes - up to +5, because they all cost the same amount (e.g. 5 +1 tomes cost the same amount as 1 +5), but per the rules they don't.Ah, but the books grant inherent bonuses, which do not stack. So buying piecemeal is going to just cost you money in the long run. Just get it done in one shot for that +5 inherent bonus and be done with it.Wait, I thought you could buy the books piece meal? I understand bonuses normally don't stack, you take the highest of the two. But that is when you are trying to equip two items or two or more spells of the same type bonus.
Since the books add a permanent increase to your ability and you don't have to equip the book, I wouldn't figure it worked the same in this instance.
Yes, agreed.
And after looking up Wizard, it's impossible for them to make +5 with their standard spell progression. Even at 20th level, they only have four 9th level spell slots.
The only way for them to get +5 is to get an extra spell slot. I believe there is a feat for it in the APG, but even still, they need to take a feat to do so.
I'm of the opinion they should not stack... but that the lower bonuses shouldn't count against your wealth by level (since they don't stack and are having no effect for you). I would allow "upgrading" like you upgrade a weapon though (from +1 weapon to +2 weapon costs 6,000gp instead of the 8,000 gp for a +2 weapon normally).
If i have Str 50, Con 50, Dex 25.... Fly 120, and Damage Resistance 20/magic. Cool, on my way to Superman epic game :)
If i have Str 50, Con 50, Dex 25.... Fly 120, and Damage Resistance 20/magic. Cool, on my way to Superman epic game :)
Or you have a couple of temporary bonuses...
Size, and alchemical can account for about 20 points of strength bonus and 14 points of con I think. Fly would come from the polymorph type spell you used for the size bonus. Add rage for the morale bonus (if not simply raging from a barbarian level). The DR x/magic is the hardest part, but we can get good DR without it being /magic if you wanted instead.
Hobbon,
The way you do it is you scribe a scroll or two of wish, and then cast that along with your daily allotment. You can get a bonus 9th level spell from INT also. Or you get a friend to help.
I'm of the opinion also that they should stack normally, and I rule that way in games I run. Otherwise it's just a newbie trap and one of the last examples of path dependence left in the game.
Oh right, of course. They can just scribe and cast the spell off a scroll. Getting late here. lol
The max is what the GM say you start with.
If you are playing a Super Hero game, with pathfinder rules. What abiity score would you choose to be 50 ?
If i have Str 50, Con 50, Dex 25.... Fly 120, and Damage Resistance 20/magic. Cool, on my way to Superman epic game :)Max intrinsic bonus is +5. In fact, the most you can conceivably get via canon items and wishes is 20 (base) + 5 (level bonus) + 6 (enhancement) + 5 (intrinsic from wish/tome), or 36.
That's the "easy maximum" If you include the DD's +4 to strength, and +4 from barbarian raging, and +10 from Form of the Dragon 3, you can see we just hit STR of 54. The DD could also have a +2 to con, +4 to con from raging, and + 8 to Con from Form of the Dragon for a total of 50 Con. Since Form of the Dragon 3 doesn't give any dex penalties you just need a 14 Dex +6 item, and +5 book to get the 25 Dex to go with it.
Heck if you want to go crazy with it I imagine we can fit some alchemical bonus from alchemist levels in there too.
They probably should stack - as should wishes - up to +5, because they all cost the same amount (e.g. 5 +1 tomes cost the same amount as 1 +5), but per the rules they don't.Ah, but the books grant inherent bonuses, which do not stack. So buying piecemeal is going to just cost you money in the long run. Just get it done in one shot for that +5 inherent bonus and be done with it.Wait, I thought you could buy the books piece meal? I understand bonuses normally don't stack, you take the highest of the two. But that is when you are trying to equip two items or two or more spells of the same type bonus.
Since the books add a permanent increase to your ability and you don't have to equip the book, I wouldn't figure it worked the same in this instance.
I'm with you on that one as well. Otherwise you have situations where you have to boost the stat all at once and learn to live without it until you can, or use up resources boosting it in increments that could be better used elsewhere.