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If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first.
Say I have a level 11 fighter with TWF, he wields a longsword in main-hand and a dagger in off-hand.
How can he combine his attacks?Could he attack with the dagger at +11/+6/+1 and after that with the longsword +11/+6/+1?
Could he even make 2 attacks with the Dagger, then all 3 with the longsword and at the end the final attack with the dagger?
Or is he bound to +11/+11/+6/+6/+1/+1 or even +11/+6/+1 with the first weapon and then +11/+6/+1 with the second?
Also, let's take a look at monsters, e.g. the Babau:
Melee [some attacks] or longspear +12/+7 (1d8+7), bite +7 (1d6+2)
If he's adjacent to a PC, he can't use the spear until he makes a 5-ft-step.
Could he go bite +7, 5-ft-step, longspear +12, longspear +7 or must he forgo his bite attack to get the two attacks with the longspear?
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Say I have a level 11 fighter with TWF, he wields a longsword in main-hand and a dagger in off-hand.
How can he combine his attacks?
Could he attack with the dagger at +11/+6/+1 and after that with the longsword +11/+6/+1?
Could he even make 2 attacks with the Dagger, then all 3 with the longsword and at the end the final attack with the dagger?
Or is he bound to +11/+11/+6/+6/+1/+1 or even +11/+6/+1 with the first weapon and then +11/+6/+1 with the second?
Assuming no other bonuses for the fighter, his attack line would read:
Melee longsword +9/+4/-1 (1d8), dagger +9 (1d4)...(explanation: BAB+11, TWF -2)
He could chose either of the following orders: (longsword +9, dagger +9, longsword +4, longsword -1) or (dagger +9, longsword +9, longsword +4, longsword -1). He doesn't get 3 dagger attacks with only TWF.
If you intended that he has TWF, Improved TWF and Greater TWF, his attack line would read:
Melee longsword +9/+4/-1 (1d8), dagger +9/+4/-1 (1d4)...
For the order with these six attacks, he would need to take both of the +9s (in either order), then both of the +4 (in either order) and finally the two -1 attacks.
Also, let's take a look at monsters, e.g. the Babau:
Melee [some attacks] or longspear +12/+7 (1d8+7), bite +7 (1d6+2)If he's adjacent to a PC, he can't use the spear until he makes a 5-ft-step.
Could he go bite +7, 5-ft-step, longspear +12, longspear +7 or must he forgo his bite attack to get the two attacks with the longspear?
My understanding on this is that hist first longspear attack and his bite attack are both BAB+7, while his second longspear attack is at BAB+2. A fully annotated line attack line for this sequence would be:
Melee [some attacks] or longspear +12/+7 (1d8+7)(BAB+7, Str+5), bite +7 (1d6+2)(BAB+7, Str+5, secondary -5)
In which case he can either bite first or use the first spear attack initially, then the other. He must complete or abandon both the first spear attack and the bite before he makes the second spear attack. So, in your example, he's good to bite, 5-ft-step away, then make the two spear attacks. In the next round, if he starts from 10 feet away he cannot get all three attacks vs. a sole opponent.
Say I have a level 11 fighter with TWF, he wields a longsword in main-hand and a dagger in off-hand.
How can he combine his attacks?
Could he attack with the dagger at +11/+6/+1 and after that with the longsword +11/+6/+1?
Could he even make 2 attacks with the Dagger, then all 3 with the longsword and at the end the final attack with the dagger?
Or is he bound to +11/+11/+6/+6/+1/+1 or even +11/+6/+1 with the first weapon and then +11/+6/+1 with the second?
Two-Weapon Fighting allows you just one extra attack. So you would be +11/+11/+6/+1. Don't forget to apply the appropriate penalties. So if your longsword is your primary weapon and yor dagger is your offhand weapon, and you have the Two-Weapon Fighting fea, you will be -2 on all attacks: +9(sword)/+9(dagger)/+4(sword)/-1(sword). if you reverse that and make your dagger your primary weapon and your sword your secondary weapon, the penalties are -4: +7(dagger)/+7(sword)/+2(dagger)/-3(dagger). The penalties are much worse without the feat.
Also, let's take a look at monsters, e.g. the Babau:
Melee [some attacks] or longspear +12/+7 (1d8+7), bite +7 (1d6+2)If he's adjacent to a PC, he can't use the spear until he makes a 5-ft-step.
Could he go bite +7, 5-ft-step, longspear +12, longspear +7 or must he forgo his bite attack to get the two attacks with the longspear?
You can take your 5'-step at any time in your round, even during a full-attack action. The core rulebook says: "You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round."
So yes, bite first, then 5'-step, then use the spear twice.
The combat section states that attacks must be in order of highest bonus to lowest. When 2 attacks tie, as with TWF, the player gets to choose. You can choose to resolve each attack individually if you wish, so you can see how you do before declaring your next target.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no Pathfinder beginner. I know all penalties (from using two weapons) and bonuses (+str, weapon enhancement etc), and I was assuming Greater Two Weapon Fighting, merely stating TWF as a combat style (attacking with 2 weapons that is).
And I only stated the BAB bonuses to clarify which attack is which.
@ Howie:
you're saying that the secondary attack's -5 doesn't count as strong as the second weapon's attack -5? Could you quote any specific rule on this?
Anyway, if that's the case, then the bite and the spear from the Babau would be tied to max. BAB and then he could indeed bite first then step back and attack with the spear twice.
If not, he couldn't.
Thanks anyway for the clarifications up until now.
If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first.
Reading these sentences again makes me think the fighter with two weapons (and the greater twf feat...) could indeed make a +11/+6/+1/+11/+6/+1 type of attack.
This would also answer King of Vrock's question on the haste issue.
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@ Howie:
you're saying that the secondary attack's -5 doesn't count as strong as the second weapon's attack -5? Could you quote any specific rule on this?
I hope that providing all of the calculation bonuses and assumptions wasn't taken as talking down. If so, that wasn't the intent.
The babou's bite has a secondary attack penalty of -5, as you've noted. The second spear attack doesn't have a penalty of -5. Rather, that attack is made at a BAB of +2. It is often described in conversation as being at -5 from main BAB, but that is a description, not a definition. As for rules cites, the two I can think of are the description of BAB and the one you already cited:
Each creature has a base attack bonus and it represents its skill in combat. As a character gains levels or Hit Dice, his base attack bonus improves. When a creature's base attack bonus reaches +6, +11, or +16, he receives an additional attack in combat when he takes a full-attack action..
Note that there is no statement about penalty. Instead, what you see on class tables is a column called Base Attack Bonus.
If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first.
Reading these sentences again makes me think the fighter with two weapons (and the greater twf feat...) could indeed make a +11/+6/+1/+11/+6/+1 type of attack.
I take the word that I've bolded to refer to the base attack bonus, not the total bonus. Substituting, the attacks must be made in order from highest BAB to lowest.
You can strike with either weapon first, but you still must satisfy the order from highest to lowest. Not merely from highest to lowest for the single weapon, but for the entire sequence. I don't have anything further to back that up, so if it isn't convincing, we'll just have to agree to disagree about it. :)
So I have BAB +6/+1 & Haste. Besides being RAW, is there any mechanical or design reason you shouldn't take say your Haste attack at the end? I've brought this up with my Players before and having some insight beside saying "that's the rules" would help.
--Vrock-a-Bye Baby.
Yes. Imagine you want one of your attacks to be a trip attack.
As a touch attack you'll likely hit with it even if it's an iterative attack.
-James
Is it a touch attack anymore?
I thought it was just a CMB roll.