Soften Earth and Stone


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If a 3rd level caster uses this spell, is she allowed to pick three unique and separate 10 foot squares to affect? Or, do the rules state that the 10 foot squares have to be "touching" (as in sharing a side)?

Likewise, do the squares have to be " a square composed of 4 5 foot squares"? Or, can she affect, for instance, a row of four 5 foot squares?

Who knew there would be this much math involved? :-)

Scarab Sages

Rithralas wrote:
If a 3rd level caster uses this spell, is she allowed to pick three unique and separate 10 foot squares to affect? Or, do the rules state that the 10 foot squares have to be "touching" (as in sharing a side)?

The spell's area is listed as: "Area: 10-ft. square/level." Since you choose the point of origin for an area, and the size of the square doesn't increase with level, the only answer left is that you must choose a point of origin for each 10-foot square. Since the spell doesn't say those squares must be adjacent or touching, plop them anywhere within range.

Rithralas wrote:
Likewise, do the squares have to be " a square composed of 4 5 foot squares"? Or, can she affect, for instance, a row of four 5 foot squares?

Each square must be 10 feet on a side (because it must be a square, and it must be a 10-foot square). So yes, it must be a square composed of four 5-foot squares.


They have to be touching, or at least all within the same area.

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Since you choose the point of origin for an area

This is incorrect, and i believe the problem with the rest of your reasoning. You choose a point of origin for a SPELL. Normally they're the same thing. The spell makes repeated references to the areA (singular) affected, not the areaS affected.

The size affected DOES increase with level

at level 1 you have 1 10 by 10 square to play with

at level 2 you have 2 10 by 10 by 10 squares to play with

mostly its to be easy on the players.

Likewise, do the squares have to be " a square composed of 4 5 foot squares"? Or, can she affect, for instance, a row of four 5 foot squares?

No, the spell would have to be listed as shapable to do that. This spell is not,so you're stuck with the dimensions given.


Of course does 10' sq/lvl mean you get (lvl) 10' disjoint squares you can affect or do you get a (lvl*10)' square

Scarab Sages

BigNorseWolf wrote:
This is incorrect, and i believe the problem with the rest of your reasoning. You choose a point of origin for a SPELL.

I think a careful re-reading of the area description in the beginning of the magic section will reveal that what you propose cannot be the case for this spell.

The Exchange

So....it appears that the jury is still out on this one?


Tom Baumbach wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
This is incorrect, and i believe the problem with the rest of your reasoning. You choose a point of origin for a SPELL.
I think a careful re-reading of the area description in the beginning of the magic section will reveal that what you propose cannot be the case for this spell.

Quote or it didn't happen.

Regardless of the shape of the area, you select the point where the spell originates


Rithralas wrote:
So....it appears that the jury is still out on this one?

breaking the squares down into further subdivisions is a definite no. There's a shapable description that would be there if it were allowed.

Scarab Sages

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Rithralas wrote:
So....it appears that the jury is still out on this one?

breaking the squares down into further subdivisions is a definite no. There's a shapable description that would be there if it were allowed.

It's more likely that the shapeable keyword is missing than that this spell invents a completely new mechanic for scaling area sizes.

@Cartigan: Short of a dev coming in to carve some stone, you're going to have to review the relevant rules and make your own call.

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