Hail and well met, fellow Kingmakers!
Although I'm having a blast running Kingmaker (and so are my players), I've been sort of miffed at the maps. They're beautiful and the Map Folio is handy for the GM, but there's no real way to hand them to your players and say "here". Likewise, whether playing in person or via a number of online means, so far the only real options have been using the Player Guide's blank template or using a "Fog of War" approach.
I figure the basic lay of the land shouldn't be a surprise—the PCs should know where Restov is, for example.
So, I broke out the Photoshop Fu, combining the populated maps and PDF-extractor'ified maps to make maps that have solely the terrain, extant settlements, and so forth, with "A." to "Z."-style markers filed off.
Hopefully, these should be useful to my fellow GM's and players:
Clean Greenbelt Map
Clean Nomen Heights Map
Clean Hooktongue Slough Map
Clean Glenebon Uplands Map
Likewise, there's no composite map of the four Stolen Lands region, and I think I know why: the maps don't exactly match; there's some overlap horizontally and they don't quite match vertically. Also, the grid between the Hooktongue Slough and the Greenbelt just doesn't match. Still, it gives you a good idea of the scope of the campaign.
[Small Version] Composite Stolen Lands Small Map
[Large Version-1 MB file size] Composite Stolen Lands Map
Enjoy and tell me what you think!
Since this is 80% of the contents of the map folio, I'm pretty sure Paizo doesn't want you distributing it for free. Just sayin'.
Since this is 80% of the contents of the map folio, I'm pretty sure Paizo doesn't want you distributing it for free. Just sayin'.
Hence why these are clean maps for geography/player aid purposes, and not the encounter-site filled maps needed to actually run the game, as included in the Adventure Path and Map Folio.
I should have been clearer: The maps in the map folio are identical to the jpgs you have provided, except for having slightly different symbols for the settlements. The maps in the folio contain no encounter-information or other notes, though at a slightly better resolution.
Your jpgs are the identical to content that is included in the folio (the other 20% of the folio is maps of Varnhold and Pitax), and since Paizo wants money for the folio, I think it's a fair use-conflict to post them on this board (or anywhere on the internet).
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I should have been clearer: The maps in the map folio are identical to the jpgs you have provided, except for having slightly different symbols for the settlements. The maps in the folio contain no encounter-information or other notes, though at a slightly better resolution.
Your jpgs are the identical to content that is included in the folio (the other 20% of the folio is maps of Varnhold and Pitax), and since Paizo wants money for the folio, I think it's a fair use-conflict to post them on this board (or anywhere on the internet).
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You should really remove these.
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+1You should really remove these.
No you shouldn't!
There are not digital versions of the folio maps, this is a huge help!Paizo is capable of telling you if there's a problem with what you've done. Wait to hear from (any of) them before you have any knee-jerk reactions!
Thank you for these, they are awesome!
No you shouldn't!
There are not digital versions of the folio maps, this is a huge help!
Actually, the Kingmaker Map Folio is also available as a PDF download, and as useful as a post like this is, I am quite certain it is not in accordance with Paizo's Community Use Policy, and I am positive that they will ask you to take these maps down.
i made my own composites from the map folio, and they very very similar
im pretty sure you will be asked to remove these, helpful though they are
Kudos for great player references!
I've removed the links from the first post. Paizo's Community Use Policy specifically spells out what can be done with our artwork and maps. Redistributing our cartography is not allowed.
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Wait to hear from them...
I've removed the links from the first post. Paizo's Community Use Policy specifically spells out what can be done with our artwork and maps. Redistributing our cartography is not allowed.
Yeah, like that.
/shrugI bought my set at my local and didn't have them...
Ugh. >_<
Reread the Community Use Policy; my apologies. Feel free to lock/archive/whatever this thread.
Ugh. >_<
Reread the Community Use Policy; my apologies. Feel free to lock/archive/whatever this thread.Would you mind e-mailing the maps you made to me? I'd love to have something like that for my campaign.
Then buy the map folio.
I should have been more specific. I would like to have something like that for my campaign without having to overpay for something that should have been included in the adventure path for free from the start.Then buy the map folio.
Umm...added cartography work, such as what was done in the map folio does cost Paizo to create. Giving away something such as that doesn't make a lot of business sense, as it's more a convenience item for a GM to have, and not a necessity. You can run the AP with just the maps from the issues and the blank ones from the player's guide.
Also, as Ross stated above, redistributing Paizo's cartography is not something covered by the CUP and the map is copyrighted.
I should have been more specific. I would like to have something like that for my campaign without having to overpay for something that should have been included in the adventure path for free from the start.Then buy the map folio.
If you own the PDFs of the adventures, you can easily extract the maps from those yourself. If not, I don't see how you can think that electronic versions of maps "should have been included in the adventure path for free from the start" with a print product. Or do you expect a CD with all artwork to be packed with any kind of book?
In other words, buy the map folio.
I should have been more specific. I would like to have something like that for my campaign without having to overpay for something that should have been included in the adventure path for free from the start.
If you own the PDFs of the adventures, you can easily extract the maps from those yourself. If not, I don't see how you can think that electronic versions of maps "should have been included in the adventure path for free from the start" with a print product. Or do you expect a CD with all artwork to be packed with any kind of book?
Zaister, I don't think molten_dragon ever mentioned "electronic versions"?
It is quite common for (print) adventures to include a "player's" version of the map which is basically a cleaned-up version of the DMs map, which I think was the direction of molten_dragon's and the opening post. But in Paizo's defense, the whole intent of the 'exploration' for Stolen Lands was for the PCs to map things themselves.
Let me make something clear here:
If you are not willing to buy something, that is your absolute right. Paizo is not going to take money out of your wallet to give you a product that you do not want. Likewise, we welcome feedback regarding what should and should not be included in the Adventure Paths.
However, assuming that such a stance entitles you to get said product for free is wrong. Asking for someone to share copyrighted materials with you over our messageboards is a violation of our messageboard rules (Notably "Do not advocate illegal activities or discuss them with intent to commit them" and "Do not post any content that infringes and/or violates any patent, trademark, copyright, or other proprietary right of any third party.") This is especially true when it has already made clear, in this very thread, that such sharing is not cool.
On that note, I've removed some contact information from posts in this thread.
Umm...added cartography work, such as what was done in the map folio does cost Paizo to create. Giving away something such as that doesn't make a lot of business sense, as it's more a convenience item for a GM to have, and not a necessity. You can run the AP with just the maps from the issues and the blank ones from the player's guide.I isn't really much extra work though is the thing. Certainly not enough to justify what's being charged for it, when all I really want is the 4 hex maps that we already get smashed into one large map and the encounter locations removed. I could do it myself in a few hours with GIMP, and I'm an idiot about such things. A professional artist should be able to do it in no time flat. It's nowhere near enough work to justify costing 3/4 what an adventure path book does.
If you have the PDFs you can extract the maps without tags from the Adventure Path pdfs by using either Adobe Reader 8 or Some PDF Image Extractr (windows only) or the like. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes, including aligning them up in Gimp or Paint.net to one big image.
It just bugs me that you guys charge money for little things that really should be included with the books for free.
"really should"? Define should. A more accurate statement for you might be to replace "really should" with "I really want to".
Considering how many posts suggested you pay for these "little things", perhaps you should reconsider your sense of "should".
It just bugs me that you guys charge money for little things that really should be included with the books for free."really should"? Define should. A more accurate statement for you might be to replace "really should" with "I really want to".
Considering how many posts suggested you pay for these "little things", perhaps you should reconsider your sense of "should".
In the case of Kingmaker the full map of the region is very important for the adventure, but at no point do they offer a complete map. If you have the PDFs and an image extractor (or older Adobe) making a composite is trivial, but it really should have been included at some point.
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In the case of Kingmaker the full map of the region is very important for the adventure, but at no point do they offer a complete map. If you have the PDFs and an image extractor (or older Adobe) making a composite is trivial, but it really should have been included at some point.It just bugs me that you guys charge money for little things that really should be included with the books for free."really should"? Define should. A more accurate statement for you might be to replace "really should" with "I really want to".
Considering how many posts suggested you pay for these "little things", perhaps you should reconsider your sense of "should".
There's a map of whatever region the party will be adventuring in predominantly in each book. The Player's Guide (which IS free) has blank hex paper provided, so your players can map out the region themselves.
I'm running the campaign without any hassle. I picked up the Kingmaker Map Folio only just the other day, just because I wanted a big prop to hand to my players.