I'm thinking of building a summoner to replace my current character (a rogue) should he die of a decidedly un-natural cause.
What are some of your builds for the summoner-side of things, generally?
I'm thinking of doing a str/thrower build mainly to capitalize on the "str/damage" aspect without needing a special weapon. (as opposed to a comp bow).. this would allow me to use some of the melee/thrown weapons as needed while staying at range if possible.
What are you other folk out there using for the summoner side of the character, and how effective (or not) have they been?
-S
I think it is a good idea to stay out of melee, but ranged might be a decent option. If you went with a Half Elf you can get the 4 extra evolution points, and get Long Bow proficiency increasing your range and damage. Start combat off next to your eidolon to give buffs, let the eidolon charge and do the pounce, grab, rake, rend combo, and then sit back and shoot stuff.
I'm thinking of building a summoner to replace my current character (a rogue) should he die of a decidedly un-natural cause.
What are some of your builds for the summoner-side of things, generally?
I'm thinking of doing a str/thrower build mainly to capitalize on the "str/damage" aspect without needing a special weapon. (as opposed to a comp bow).. this would allow me to use some of the melee/thrown weapons as needed while staying at range if possible.What are you other folk out there using for the summoner side of the character, and how effective (or not) have they been?
-S
I think a build that makes vicarious use of UMD would be very interesting if only because CHA is a prime stat for the Summoner. It might get a little expensive but 1st level wands aren't all that expensive. Ensure you use spells that don't require a save and you should be ok. Sure, you won't be doing a lot of damage but you'll at least get the opportunity to do something each round.
I'm thinking of building a summoner to replace my current character (a rogue) should he die of a decidedly un-natural cause.
What are some of your builds for the summoner-side of things, generally?
I'm thinking of doing a str/thrower build mainly to capitalize on the "str/damage" aspect without needing a special weapon. (as opposed to a comp bow).. this would allow me to use some of the melee/thrown weapons as needed while staying at range if possible.What are you other folk out there using for the summoner side of the character, and how effective (or not) have they been?
-S
The summoner I have is difficult to kill. Which IMO needs to be a factor for every summoner that makes the eidolon their main feature. Besides buffing up the eidolon as needed, he also is the debuffer/screw you guy for enemies. He just sits in the back and hinders the enemy with other spells while the eidolon and the rest of their party do their thing.
Its not so much that I think he'll do "alot" of damage moreso than it is that I want him to be able to 1) do something when buffing is done and 2) not be roadkill if Big E gets squashed.
While No arcane caster likes to get targeted by melee- having some alternative to just "well I have alot of buff spells" didn't seem terribly attractive either. Since you can't Sla and Big E anymore i was looking for something that the summoner himself could be doing.. hence the thought of thrown weapons.
thanks for the input though :) is muchly appreciated
Longspear is also a good choice. Maybe with Combat Reflexes. Enemies will suffer if they attack you. Right kind of movement will usually guarantee only 1 enemy can attack you without attack of opportunity (and only if you don't manage to kill him)
And especially after (Mass) Enlarge Person, you will have an exellent reach.
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I'm thinking of building a summoner to replace my current character (a rogue) should he die of a decidedly un-natural cause.
-S
When you consider having the summoner fight mundanely I'd ask yourself how much damage can your rogue do when he cannot get sneak attack dice?
If that is satisfactory to you and your group then go for it, if it is decidedly subpar then I would suggest going with a more casting centered build.
I kinda like halfling sneakers as summoners, as I believe that a summoner should not be noticed. YMMV.
-James
I'm with James here, if your summoner can do everything he can to go unnoticed (including taking the feat), he'll have a much better chance of surviving. 4th lvl allows you to take invisibility, and if all you're doing is buffing your eidolon the invisibility will remain in place.