APG: Bestow Grace--Sacred Bonus, so Stacks with Divine Grace?


Rules Questions


Hey everyone,

I've been looking more carefully through the spells in the APG, and I got to Bestow Grace. I had already read all the short descriptions, so I knew what I was getting into--a spell that would give any character in the party their Cha bonus to all saves, like a Paladin.

I was a bit confused when I read the details and saw that Bestow Grace gives a Sacred Bonus--this seems to indicate that it stacks with Divine Grace. The target is "1 good creature touched", so the Paladin can target herself and become more-or-less invincible to any saving throws that other party members have a chance to succeed.

Even without the ability to do this, the spell is extremely powerful for a party with other Charisma-based characters. For instance, in our Council of Thieves party, without any attempt to consult each other, we have two Paladins, a Sorcerer, a Summoner, an Oracle/Bard (dead), and an espionage-based Rogue, so only the Rogue has lower than 20 Charisma. I mean, my Summoner would love a +6 to all saves--since she has a +2 Cloak of Resistance already, it would offer the same bonus as the 8th level spell Protection from Spells (though at a shorter duration of course, and it's single target, but it doesn't have an expensive component). Granted the Sorcerer isn't Good, so he's not a valid target.

So what do you guys think--am I missing something or can Paladins give themselves double their Cha bonus to all saves using this spell?

Liberty's Edge

RAW, the Paladin's Divine Grace is an untyped ability, so Bestow Grace stacks unless the designers want to come in and errata Divine Grace.

RAI, I'd probably say that the Paladin's Divine Grace is meant to be a Divine bonus, so no self-stacking.

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