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I was wondering ...
Will content from the Advanced Players Guide and the Game Mastery Guide by put on the online Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document? I assume it will, but I have not really heard much about this officially.
Assuming the answer is yes, how much will be included, when will it go live and how will it be organized (will it be in a seperate section or fully incorporated into the existing PRD)?
Thanks!
I, on the other hand, was fairly certain that the APG material *was* going to be in the PRD. Hopefully in a separate section.
I personally hope the APG actually becomes Core.
/petition
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I believe the plan is to put all of the APG and all of the rules stuff from the GMG into the PRD... that's a lot of acronyms...
But we can't just instantly do that. There's a fair amount of work involved, and since the people who will be DOING the bulk of that work are pretty much slammed with pre Gen Con stuff, I'm not sure what their timeline or schedule is like.
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I believe the plan is to put all of the APG and all of the rules stuff from the GMG into the PRD... that's a lot of acronyms...
But we can't just instantly do that. There's a fair amount of work involved, and since the people who will be DOING the bulk of that work are pretty much slammed with pre Gen Con stuff, I'm not sure what their timeline or schedule is like.
FYI James, including GMG and APG in the PRD is FTW !
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that's a lot of acronyms...
LOL - that's the same thing I thought when I typed out the title of this post!
Oh, and I figured if the content was to go into the PRD, it would not happen right away. Totally understandable! I'm just glad to hear it will be there.
The folks at Paizo rock, that's all there is to it!
As an FYI, most of the GMG is already added to d20pfsrd.com and the APG content will be added aprox. 2 weeks after GenCon.
Thanks for doing that for us!
As an FYI, most of the GMG is already added to d20pfsrd.com
Is the new city statblock there? (It's showing up a bunch in the APs themselves with few details on how it works; particularly annoying for 3.5ers who still want to purchase and use Paizo modules...)
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As an FYI, most of the GMG is already added to d20pfsrd.comIs the new city statblock there? (It's showing up a bunch in the APs themselves with few details on how it works; particularly annoying for 3.5ers who still want to purchase and use Paizo modules...)
While I can certainly understand that frustration... part of how we designed the new city stat block was that we only added things, really. And we kept those additions "quarantined" in the first section, so that if you don't use the GMG, you can just ignore that section and use the remainder of the city stat block in the same way 3.5 did.
Not getting that info into the core rulebook still chafes my hide, to be honest. Getting it into print in the GMG is the next best thing.
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Is the new city statblock there? (It's showing up a bunch in the APs themselves with few details on how it works; particularly annoying for 3.5ers who still want to purchase and use Paizo modules...)
We didn't add the city stuff but we can if you'd like. I added most of the crunchy bits I thought most people would use but left some stuff out.
Alternatively, if you haven't already, I strongly recommend purchasing the book :)Always a good start! :)
The PFSRD etc are great resources for quick reference though, and I'm grateful to all involved.
Even if it's just the PDF...Keep Paizo in business to keep them making wonderful products!
so that if you don't use the GMG, you can just ignore that section
Oh, I know I can ignore the rest and it won't harm anything. It's still a tad annoying seeing this interesting stuff and not being able to use it (or rather, being forced to buy a substantial book for a game system one doesn't use just to use this one thing, when it's beginning to proliferate [hyperbole] the APs...).
However, with that said:
We didn't add the city stuff but we can if you'd like.
Thanks! (Now that's what I call 'meeting your users' needs!) But no hurry or anything. Actually, from what I'm beginning to hear, the GMG actually has very little PFRPG-specific stuff in it and is more a general guide; and what PFRPG stuff that is there is more easily adapted to 3.5 than other PFRPG stuff. If this is true, then buying the GMG in some form might be worth it (instead of me - a 3.5er - getting stuck with a PFRPG rulebook, which is the last thing I want).
(But generally, I think that a good rule of thumb is that if a rule system/sub-system ends up in the APs and is not properly explained, it should probably be in the d20pfsrd somewhere... For example, I was surprised that the city statblock wasn't there, but for some inexplicable reason 'offenses & bribes' was there, which probably doesn't need to be.)
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Well there are a few things here...
"Sheets"
There are several "sheets" such as the "Settlement Sheet" in the GMG and these sheets have associated rules and descriptions for how to use the sheets.
I didn't want to add the actual sheets/forms as that would require I extract that one page from the PDF, which is secured to prevent page extraction. The various "sheets" have a blurb at the bottom that says "This page is free to photocopy for personal use" etc but I don't think that allows mass reproduction as on our site. While the entire book is basically Open Game Content (excepting of course the parts available via CUP) I find the "sheets" to be a gray area that I chose to just avoid. I could alternatively recreate the "sheets" as web pages, or Google Docs, but they wouldn't be exactly the same and would involve an amount of effort I didn't want to expend at this time.
Now as for the associated rules for describing how to interact with the sheets, I could add that, but then without the sheets themselves it would be sort of odd. In any event, I felt also that leaving this stuff out would leave additional cause for people to purchase the books. Sometimes I purposely leave out some parts of some books that I think are either hard to add to the site (can't figure out a good place for the content or it doesn't make sense to add it) or just because I want to leave something in the books to make people want to buy them.
With the GMG there is so much general purpose information that isn't Pathfinder specific that I strongly encourage folks to buy it regardless of the version of fantasy medieval roleplaying game they are currently enjoying. The vast majority of it applies no matter the rules system you are using.
In any event though, I'm going to be taking a second look at the GMG to see if there is anything else I can add to the site. Just so you know though, what I HAVE added, I have added to the existing pages where the content seemed to apply. I do NOT have one index location for the GMG that says "If you want to see this content, go here..." etc. I am probably going to start doing something like that with future books (and have done so for a few of the 3pp books already) so that people know where to find the new content.
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Oh, I know I can ignore the rest and it won't harm anything. It's still a tad annoying seeing this interesting stuff and not being able to use it (or rather, being forced to buy a substantial book for a game system one doesn't use just to use this one thing, when it's beginning to proliferate [hyperbole] the APs...).
Well, you'd BETTER buy the book, or we'll have to step up our nefarious plot to force customers to buy books. The next stage involves brain surgery performed via an invasive signal in cell phones. The cool thing is that the target doesn't even need to be on a cell phone for us to use this technique to reprogram his mind; he just needs to be within a certain distance of someone who IS using a cell phone. It's pretty expensive to perform, though, so we'd much rather have you be forced to buy our products because of things like the city stat block issue.
AKA: If it's interesting, and you like it, I can think of worse ways to spend money.
If it's interesting, and you like it, I can think of worse ways to spend money.
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... The next stage involves brain surgery performed via an invasive signal in cell phones. The cool thing is that the target doesn't even need to be on a cell phone for us to use this technique to reprogram his mind; he just needs to be within a certain distance of someone who IS using a cell phone. It's pretty expensive to perform, though, so we'd much rather have you be forced to buy our products because of things like the city stat block issue.
Hey! I thought Lucius Fox destroyed that technology!
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As an FYI, most of the GMG is already added to d20pfsrd.comIs the new city statblock there? (It's showing up a bunch in the APs themselves with few details on how it works; particularly annoying for 3.5ers who still want to purchase and use Paizo modules...)While I can certainly understand that frustration... part of how we designed the new city stat block was that we only added things, really. And we kept those additions "quarantined" in the first section, so that if you don't use the GMG, you can just ignore that section and use the remainder of the city stat block in the same way 3.5 did.
Not getting that info into the core rulebook still chafes my hide, to be honest. Getting it into print in the GMG is the next best thing.
And it's gorgeous... I just love the new city stat block! It looks good and contain most of the relevant info in a relatively small space. Great work, guys! :)
@Arnwyn: Quit whinin' and upgrade to PF RPG ASAP! Or else I'll send you naked pictures of myself bound to an altar of Asmodeus... ;P
Alright, seriously, GMG is well worth the price even if you're a 3.5er; it contains some great GMing tips, and the mechanics and the tables can be used as is in 3.5. And believe me, they are pretty nifty (a friend of mine created all the major NPCs for a city with this book, and he commented that most of the random rolls produced far more interesting characters that he could have come up on his own).
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@Arnwyn: Quit whinin' and upgrade to PF RPG ASAP! Or else I'll send you naked pictures of myself bound to an altar of Asmodeus... ;PWell, I don't know about anyone else but I already have it and I am going to buy another one just to avoid getting any of those photos.
Love Live the Revolution...
Har har! Those pictures are from my Westcrown Infernal Academy class reunion (BTW, KaeYoss is the one holding the knife). I even trimmed my beard and, er, all the other hairy body parts for this glorious occasion! ;)
Hmmm... I'm trying to get my poor, hapless players to purchase their own copies; maybe I should send them the pictures to ensure that they comply?
I can't afford recreational drugs because I buy Paizo products.
Thanks Paizo :-D
Grow your own.
Paizo products I mean ;)
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I can't afford recreational drugs because I buy Paizo products.
Thanks Paizo :-D
Grow your own.
Paizo products I mean ;)
Don't fall into this trap, I planted all of my paizo minis and I've yet to see a single minis tree sprout. I've used fertilizer (mulched core rulebooks) and I've watered daily and nothing. I'm beginning to think it was just a cunning plan (like the cellphone) to trick people into ruining their goods so they'd have to buy more.
so we'd much rather have you be forced to buy our products because of things like the city stat block issue.
It's working. :D
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so that if you don't use the GMG, you can just ignore that sectionOh, I know I can ignore the rest and it won't harm anything. It's still a tad annoying seeing this interesting stuff and not being able to use it (or rather, being forced to buy a substantial book for a game system one doesn't use just to use this one thing, when it's beginning to proliferate [hyperbole] the APs...).
However, with that said:
We didn't add the city stuff but we can if you'd like.Thanks! (Now that's what I call 'meeting your users' needs!) But no hurry or anything. Actually, from what I'm beginning to hear, the GMG actually has very little PFRPG-specific stuff in it and is more a general guide; and what PFRPG stuff that is there is more easily adapted to 3.5 than other PFRPG stuff. If this is true, then buying the GMG in some form might be worth it (instead of me - a 3.5er - getting stuck with a PFRPG rulebook, which is the last thing I want).
(But generally, I think that a good rule of thumb is that if a rule system/sub-system ends up in the APs and is not properly explained, it should probably be in the d20pfsrd somewhere... For example, I was surprised that the city statblock wasn't there, but for some inexplicable reason 'offenses & bribes' was there, which probably doesn't need to be.)
Arnwyn, you might want to think about picking up at least the PDF of the GMG, as it's at least 75% system neutral. I could seee even a non D&D GM getting a lot of benefit out of it.
Plus it's awesome.
See my post above. ;)
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Don't fall into this trap, I planted all of my paizo minis and I've yet to see a single minis tree sprout. I've used fertilizer (mulched core rulebooks) and I've watered daily and nothing. I'm beginning to think it was just a cunning plan (like the cellphone) to trick people into ruining their goods so they'd have to buy more.I can't afford recreational drugs because I buy Paizo products.
Thanks Paizo :-D
Grow your own.
Paizo products I mean ;)
you over watered is all... you have to water those minis plants every OTHER day!
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In d20pfsrd I've updated my spell and magic item DBs with APG data.
Check it out.
Somehow Mike (chopswil) is much faster than the rest of us on the site. Often his databases are updated sooner than the rest of the site so do look at those to see if the content you are seeking has already been added there. Those pages are the various "<... DB>" pages such as "Spells DB" and "Monsters DB."
Mike's a machine. Not sure how he does it so quickly lol
I believe the plan is to put all of the APG and all of the rules stuff from the GMG into the PRD... that's a lot of acronyms...
But we can't just instantly do that. There's a fair amount of work involved, and since the people who will be DOING the bulk of that work are pretty much slammed with pre Gen Con stuff, I'm not sure what their timeline or schedule is like.
Just curious -- is this in progress yet, or is it still in the "some day..." stage?
Just curious -- is this in progress yet, or is it still in the "some day..." stage?
I was wondering the same :-)
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Until (if?) the content makes it into the PRD, much of it is already available on d20pfsrd.com.
If you have something specific that you'd like added that is not already there, just let us know (post back here, or on the d20pfsrd.com messageboards and be specific.)