Infernal Syndrom Question (please no plot spoilers)


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Liberty's Edge

Okay, so we're playing CoT and we're knee deep in the Infernal Syndrome, and we've made a deal with a certain elf diabolist. My question is:

Spoiler:

So, why has this diabolist not turned into a drow? I'm also playing in a Second Darkness campaign and we've recently uncovered that elves can transform into drow when they commit extremely evil acts. I mean, she's probably consorted with many fiends, sold her soul (and likely others), and had been just generally really evil. What's stopping her from donning the purplie skin, white hair, and goth party clown attire?

Not like it impacts the plot any, just wanna know.


Xuttah wrote:

Okay, so we're playing CoT and we're knee deep in the Infernal Syndrome, and we've made a deal with a certain elf diabolist. My question is:

** spoiler omitted **

Not like it impacts the plot any, just wanna know.

well, the transformation doesn't happen to every elf who goes evil. (that'd kill tons of intrigue and layers of roleplay allowed imo)

the only other point i could bring up is in SD they consort with demons who are their patrons, not devils. (i'm not 100% of the demons being the all inclusive, but i think at the least the vast majority are/were)


Xuttah wrote:

Okay, so we're playing CoT and we're knee deep in the Infernal Syndrome, and we've made a deal with a certain elf diabolist. My question is:

** spoiler omitted **

Not like it impacts the plot any, just wanna know.

Lots of 2D Spoilers for Book 5+:

Allevrah Azrinae argued that the sacrifice of a couple hundred thousand innocent people was worth wiping out an entire race in cold blood. Consider that the drow in Golarion have done almost *nothing* to deserve the elves irrational hatred of them, and that the events of 2D mainly concern themselves around Allevrah's specific plot. None of the things the drow did would have ever happened if she hadn't been manipulating the house Azrinae into the situations.

So, she argued that hundreds of thousands of innocent surface-worlders, hundreds of thousands of living creatures and about 5,000 square miles of land collapsing into the darklands was worth the eradication of an entire subspecies of elf that had hardly ever done anything worth being completely genocidally wiped out. Of course the council wasn't down with this, and tried to dissuade her, and she immediately became livid and violently angry. When Auramesties, her superior, tried to get her to calm down, she vaporized him in cold blood. So what does she do? She grabs the spike out of the wall to try to kill everyone in the council to cover up her transformation and her murder of Auramesties, and flees. She doesn't even bat an eye. She instantly condemns every single person in the compound to death because she doesn't want to get caught or not be able to gather her plans before she leaves. The group barely manages to survive the encounter with the demons outside... and the first thing Allevrah does is go to the drow, integrate herself, and when she has enough pull-- after killing the head and the most of the rest of a noble house in cold blood-- convince them to wipe out the elves because she's angry that they denied her the pleasure of wiping out the drow.

She is evil. Beyond evil. She is a genocidal maniac. Godwin forgive me but she's the Golarion version of the fuhrer. She's not only completely insane, but totally convinced of her plan of action, dedicated to her goal to wipe out all life on Golarion.

That's what it takes to turn into a drow-- not selling your soul or being mean to kittens, or killing villagers, or hurting people for money, but true evil. She's not insane. She's not selfish. She's not petty. She's not cruel. She's not consorting with demon lords. She's not trying to end the world. She's doing all of the above. Allevrah Azrinae is true and pure evil.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

As folks have said before...

Spoiler:

It's actually VERY rare for an elf to transform, spontaneously, into a drow. Rare enough that it's worthy of us spending an entire adventure path exploring the ramifications of one single elf making this change. If it happened more often, it wouldn't have remained a secret for this long. Basically, it's an event that can only ever happen when the GM or author wants it to.

Furthermore, the exact things that trigger such a change are VERY variable; we do this because we DO want to have evil elves in our adventures who aren't drow, after all. In order for an elf to make this spontaneous transformation, he or she has to be INCREDIBLY evil. That's the first step. They also have to be INCREDIBLY chaotic. That's the second step. Then they have to do something that is SO BAD that it bumps things up even more. Attracting the attention of a demon lord or a chaotic evil deity helps too. Actions that aren't along these lines (doing good stuff, lawful stuff, or associating with a deity or demigod that's not a demon or chaotic evil) kind of "undo" the building factors for the transformation.

In the end, the vast majority of all the world's drow became drow because they were born that way to drow parents.

Liberty's Edge

Actively ignoring the spoilers from IT, thanks to James for the clarification. Makes sense to me now.


Xuttah wrote:
Actively ignoring the spoilers from IT, thanks to James for the clarification. Makes sense to me now.

If you already know that elves spontaneously turn into drow, you should be in book 6. Nothing in my spoilers spoil anything that you wouldn't already know-- most of it is what you learn in books 4 and 5 about the bad guy's plan.

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