Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release


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Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release

I should like to apologize to BP for my government unfairly dog piling on. Please don't take away our jobs in the Gulf.

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CourtFool wrote:

Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release

I should like to apologize to BP for my government unfairly dog piling on. Please don't take away our jobs in the Gulf.

Seems feasible that an oil company would do something like that. Not to say that it is in any way appropriate to bring it up in the currently ongoing narrative. Maybe I'm just overly cynical, but I don't put anything past major corporations if it could possibly raise their profits.


This is a dire charge. If it's true, I could easily see BP going out of business in the most ugly fashion imaginable.


Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!

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CourtFool wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!

If they go out of business, the gub'mint can get their gulf rigs at bargain basement prices, then all those people can have cush government jobs!


You poor, naive fools! This is just the tip of the iceberg. My allies and I have been tracking BP's nefarious schemes for years. There's heavy evidence to show that they are also responible for:

- The expansion of the Sahara desert in order to provide a testing ground for genetically engineered Giant War Scorpions.

- The sinking of Atlantis through an accident during their time travel experiments.

- The cancellation of the TV show Firefly, because the CEO was turned down for a guest spot.

And that's just a few things. Believe me when I say that what I'm leaving out would give Lex Luthor the chills.

They must be fought at all costs!


I find it completely feasible that any multi-billion dollar company would release any number of the most anti-social violent psychopaths if it would increase their profits.


Conspiracy Buff wrote:
- The cancellation of the TV show Firefly, because the CEO was turned down for a guest spot.

Stone them!

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CourtFool wrote:
Conspiracy Buff wrote:
- The cancellation of the TV show Firefly, because the CEO was turned down for a guest spot.
Stone them!

With BIG STONES!


Conspiracy Buff wrote:


- The cancellation of the TV show Firefly, because the CEO was turned down for a guest spot.

Well, at least they got SOMETHING right...


Freehold DM wrote:
This is a dire charge. If it's true, I could easily see BP going out of business in the most ugly fashion imaginable.

It seems to me that large intrusive government doesn't prevent corporate corruption; rather it seems to facilitate it.

This is business as usual for a big multinational. The people they own in government will cover for them and nothing of consequence will happen. I'm sure BP is "too big to fail". I imagine someone would bail them out if they got into real trouble.


Freehold DM wrote:
Conspiracy Buff wrote:


- The cancellation of the TV show Firefly, because the CEO was turned down for a guest spot.
Well, at least they got SOMETHING right...

Dohp! I liked firefly.

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I will guess a poor copy cat will be out in a few years. They can't seem to come up with any new ideas.


Crimson Jester wrote:
I will guess a poor copy cat will be out in a few years. They can't seem to come up with any new ideas.

What's worse, it won't be cancelled. It will run forever and ever like American Idol.

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Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

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Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

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Xpltvdeleted wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!
If they go out of business, the gub'mint can get their gulf rigs at bargain basement prices, then all those people can have cush government jobs!

China buys up all the gulf oil rigs in international water. US President gets all surley about having his plans foiled but wanders off to take it out on the family dog - foiled again in hs attempt to liquify BPs assets to pay off his failed economic policy...

"Damn it! What do I gotta do? Hmmm?"

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yellowdingo wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!
If they go out of business, the gub'mint can get their gulf rigs at bargain basement prices, then all those people can have cush government jobs!

China buys up all the gulf rings in international water. US President gets all surley about having his plans foiled but wanders off to take it out on the family dog - foiled again in hs attempt to liquify BPs assets to pay off his failed economic policy...

"Damn it! What do I gotta do? Hmmm?"

Isn't it more precise that BP leases those rigs, and that they'll go elsewhere?

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Matthew Morris wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!
If they go out of business, the gub'mint can get their gulf rigs at bargain basement prices, then all those people can have cush government jobs!

China buys up all the gulf rings in international water. US President gets all surley about having his plans foiled but wanders off to take it out on the family dog - foiled again in hs attempt to liquify BPs assets to pay off his failed economic policy...

"Damn it! What do I gotta do? Hmmm?"

Isn't it more precise that BP leases those rigs, and that they'll go elsewhere?

Thats right...they lease them from a SHELL company...:)

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yellowdingo wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:


Isn't it more precise that BP leases those rigs, and that they'll go elsewhere?
Thats right...they lease them from a SHELL company...:)

ha ha. I'm serious though.

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Xpltvdeleted wrote:


4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

Only problem is the discusses deal was between the British government and libians whilst the actual reason he was released was a decision of the Scottish government which the British government wasn't involved in.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

I would also add that Obama either lied to our faces, or he is so grossly incompetent that he has no idea what hit own diplomats are doing.

I wonder how fast congress will lose interest in this now?


Matthew Morris wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Just don't take the jobs! The jobs! Can't you see we are in a recession and we need those jobs!
If they go out of business, the gub'mint can get their gulf rigs at bargain basement prices, then all those people can have cush government jobs!

China buys up all the gulf rings in international water. US President gets all surley about having his plans foiled but wanders off to take it out on the family dog - foiled again in hs attempt to liquify BPs assets to pay off his failed economic policy...

"Damn it! What do I gotta do? Hmmm?"

Isn't it more precise that BP leases those rigs, and that they'll go elsewhere?

You're correct, but it's the latest moratorium from Interior that will drive production and tens of thousands of jobs out of the gulf.

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CourtFool wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I will guess a poor copy cat will be out in a few years. They can't seem to come up with any new ideas.
What's worse, it won't be canceled. It will run forever and ever like American Idol.

Yeah and then they will complain about it and how it is so horrid and this is why the killed off Firefly, or worse yet they will see how horrid Joss Whedon makes the Avengers movie and say see this is why his series keeps getting axed.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:
You're correct, but it's the latest moratorium from Interior that will drive production and tens of thousands of jobs out of the gulf.

Oh, I don't deny that (I think two already are in the process of pulling out) Just pointing out that making noise about seizing 'BP's oil rigs' doesn't make sense.


Crimson Jester wrote:
CourtFool wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I will guess a poor copy cat will be out in a few years. They can't seem to come up with any new ideas.
What's worse, it won't be canceled. It will run forever and ever like American Idol.
Yeah and then they will complain about it and how it is so horrid and this is why the killed off Firefly, or worse yet they will see how horrid Joss Whedon makes the Avengers movie and say see this is why his series keeps getting axed.

builds gigantic statue of CJ standing astride Whedon's unconscious body

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Freehold DM wrote:
builds gigantic statue of CJ standing astride Whedon's unconscious body

LOL, my concern isn't the director, but the huge frakking cast. We have Nick Fury, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanova, Clint Barton and Jim Rhodes so far...

And those are just the heroes. no sign yet if we add Janet or Hank to the mix.

Am I the only one who liked Alien: Ressurction?


Matthew Morris wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
builds gigantic statue of CJ standing astride Whedon's unconscious body

LOL, my concern isn't the director, but the huge frakking cast. We have Nick Fury, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanova, Clint Barton and Jim Rhodes so far...

And those are just the heroes. no sign yet if we add Janet or Hank to the mix.

Am I the only one who liked Alien: Ressurction?

I'm afraid so. Don't worry. I'm the only one who liked Starship Troopers.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

I would also add that Obama either lied to our faces, or he is so grossly incompetent that he has no idea what hit own diplomats are doing.

I wonder how fast congress will lose interest in this now?

I didn't get that at all. The administration was lobbying for the least of all evils. When it became apparrent that the Scots were going to release him or transfer him they wanted release in Scotland (where he could be monitored) vs. imprisonment in Lybia (where he would be welcomed a hero). Scotland took neither of those options and released him in Lybia...an option that the US did not endorse in any way.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:


4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

Only problem is the discusses deal was between the British government and libians whilst the actual reason he was released was a decision of the Scottish government which the British government wasn't involved in.

Ok, I'm admittedly a bit ignorant when it comes to the goings on of the British government, but don't Britain and Scotland fall under an umbrella government (the United Kingdom)? If so, does it really matter who made the deal?


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

I would also add that Obama either lied to our faces, or he is so grossly incompetent that he has no idea what hit own diplomats are doing.

I wonder how fast congress will lose interest in this now?

I didn't get that at all. The administration was lobbying for the least of all evils. When it became apparrent that the Scots were going to release him or transfer him they wanted release in Scotland (where he could be monitored) vs. imprisonment in Lybia (where he would be welcomed a hero). Scotland took neither of those options and released him in Lybia...an option that the US did not endorse in any way.

Remember Obama plead ignorance in the press conference with the UK's PM. He claimed to be surprised and disappointed. The kindest thing one could say is that he parsed his words to cause the public to infer a lie, or he lied through his teeth, or he is utterly oblivious to major national security issues.


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

I would also add that Obama either lied to our faces, or he is so grossly incompetent that he has no idea what hit own diplomats are doing.

I wonder how fast congress will lose interest in this now?

I didn't get that at all. The administration was lobbying for the least of all evils. When it became apparrent that the Scots were going to release him or transfer him they wanted release in Scotland (where he could be monitored) vs. imprisonment in Lybia (where he would be welcomed a hero). Scotland took neither of those options and released him in Lybia...an option that the US did not endorse in any way.
Remember Obama plead ignorance in the press conference with the UK's PM. He claimed to be surprised and disappointed. The kindest thing one could say is that he parsed his words to cause the public to infer a lie, or he lied through his teeth, or he is utterly oblivious to major national security issues.

I don't get it either. What is he supposed to say? I think you may be reading into this a bit much, but I admit I am tardy to this particular party.

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Bitter Thorn wrote:
Remember Obama plead ignorance in the press conference with the UK's PM. He claimed to be surprised and disappointed. The kindest thing one could say is that he parsed his words to cause the public to infer a lie, or he lied through his teeth, or he is utterly oblivious to major national security issues.

I'm sure Obama was surprised and disappointed that they came out of left field and freed him to his home country...and did neither of the things that seemed most likely (ie.-jailed in Lybia or released in Scotland under surveillance). It was double-talk at worst...the US obviously knew something was going to happen with the guy, but who could have guessed that Scotland was going to screw the pooch this bad?


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Yeah, darn that evil BP.

Next they'll be cursed for arguing that he should be sent there and lie about knowing about it.

Ok, here's what I got from that article:

1) The US felt he should stay locked up...in Scotland.
2) If they weren't going to keep him locked up in Scotland, then compassionate release was preferable to jailing him in Lybia.
3) The US wanted the compassionate release to be in Scotland, not Lybia.
4) His eventual release to Lybia was connected to a £550 million oil contract obtained by BP.

Seems that BP was more influential than the US on this one. (Big corporations influencing governmental decisions? *gasp* THE HORROR!!)

I would also add that Obama either lied to our faces, or he is so grossly incompetent that he has no idea what hit own diplomats are doing.

I wonder how fast congress will lose interest in this now?

I didn't get that at all. The administration was lobbying for the least of all evils. When it became apparrent that the Scots were going to release him or transfer him they wanted release in Scotland (where he could be monitored) vs. imprisonment in Lybia (where he would be welcomed a hero). Scotland took neither of those options and released him in Lybia...an option that the US did not endorse in any way.

The kindest thing one could say is that he parsed his words to cause the public to infer a lie, or he lied through his teeth, or he is utterly oblivious to major national security issues.

CNN,"Obama said most Americans were "surprised, disappointed and angry" about the decision to let al Megrahi go. "We should have all the facts," he added. "They should be laid out there." The decision "ran contrary to how we should be treating terrorists.""

CNN

EDIT: I'm having trouble finding the video of the quote. Does anyone have a link?

I'm not ready to agree with the right wing blogosphere yet that Obama endorsed this then lied and tried to hide it, yet.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Don't worry. I'm the only one who liked Starship Troopers.

As Yoda says, "There is another."

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Xpltvdeleted wrote:


Ok, I'm admittedly a bit ignorant when it comes to the goings on of the British government, but don't Britain and Scotland fall under an umbrella government (the United Kingdom)? If so, does it really matter who made the deal?

Not in regards to lawmaking Scotland has a different legal system and a different judicial system than the rest of the united kingdom so Bp making deal with the British government has no bearing on the decision to release Magrahi which was a Scottish Goverment decision


Xpltvdeleted wrote:


Ok, I'm admittedly a bit ignorant when it comes to the goings on of the British government, but don't Britain and Scotland fall under an umbrella government (the United Kingdom)? If so, does it really matter who made the deal?

kind of - but not exactly

Justice and Law enforcement are a "Devolved matters" - so the over-all british government has no power to tell Scotland to do what to do. in fact, even before devolution, Scotland had a totally different legal system to the rest of the UK.

asking David Cameron to comment on the decision is, effectivley, the same as asking Obama to comment on a decision made by the state govenor of texas, while George Bush was still president - he may have an opinion on the subject, but is carries no more weight on the subject than mine does.

my final point is that, under section three of the Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993 states

"(1) The Secretary of State may at any time, if satisfied that there are compassionate grounds justifying the release of a person serving a sentence of imprisonment, release him on licence.

(2) Before so releasing any long-term prisoner or any life prisoner, the Secretary of State shall consult the Parole Board unless the circumstances are such as to render consultation impracticable.

(3) The release of a person under subsection (1) above shall not constitute release for the purpose of a supervised release order. "

Now, in the UK, the Parole board is a judicial body, rather than part of, say, the prison service - so, for example, a parole hearing (called an Oral Hearing, but i digress) is technically a sitting Court - it just doesn't take place in a court-room. even though the decision to release had to be ratified by the Secretary of State, the parole board decision was independant - and the Judges who chair the hearings are VERY keen to assert that independance. for BP to have "put pressure" on the process, they would have had to have lobbied not only a politician, but a Judge as well - and you can bet anything that, if a Judge had been lobbied, someone would have found themselves in Contempt of Court!


I should also add that I'm not an expert on Scottish Penal Law - and i'm using my notes from my University days here, but clause 3 of the act could, possibly, be used to argue that restricting him from leaving the Country, while on a supervised release, would be illegal - and if he wanted to go, he could

note i say COULD - like i said, i'm not an expert on scottish penal law, and I don't know the court-of-appeal rulings on the subject - but, i can see it as being appealable if they refused him


Charlie Bell wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Don't worry. I'm the only one who liked Starship Troopers.
As Yoda says, "There is another."

+2

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Matthew Morris wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:


Isn't it more precise that BP leases those rigs, and that they'll go elsewhere?
Thats right...they lease them from a SHELL company...:)
ha ha. I'm serious though.

"What do you think, Mr Fibble?"

Sock Puppet shakes head...

"Thats right Mr Fibble...If BP goes elsewhere those Jobs will go to Communist Chinese oil companies...considering most if not all of those oil rigs are in international waters there will be Chinese Subs patrolling the Gulf of Mexico protecting their oil tankers."

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