yellowdingo
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| Tensor |
Great vid. I wish I had that simulation software, so I could run my own models.
And I have to say, some of the keyboard warriors posting comments are priceless:
"The oil cannot be stopped because it is not OIL! It is similar to the black liquid on the X-Files only it is real and the Raccoon people created aeons ago but now their society is dead and its technology is coming back to haunt us and the only solution is Art Bell armed with a +5 vorpal sword and an infinite bag of holding."
followed by-
"Eventually it will make it's way to the U.K. . . . was that the plan all along British Petroleum?"
yellowdingo
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The Raccoon people made me do it...
Sea creatures discovered in the Alantic...now facing extinction due to Oil Spread
| Tensor |
The Raccoon people made me do it...
Sea creatures discovered in the Alantic...now facing extinction due to Oil Spread
Crickey! Is that thing from Earth?
| Bitter Thorn |
| Bitter Thorn |
yellowdingo wrote:The Raccoon people made me do it...
Sea creatures discovered in the Alantic...now facing extinction due to Oil Spread
Crickey! Is that thing from Earth?
More from Steven:
Bizarre and beautiful creatures of the ocean depths
| Tensor |
Maybe I missed it. Does the model assume uncontrolled discharge from the well head, and if so at what rate of discharge?
At best, this simulation is a cartoon. But it is still one of the better simulation runs I have seen.
From the article:
"Eight million buoyant particles were released continuously from April 20 to September 17, 2010, at the location of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig. ..."
"The dispersal of the particles does not capture such effects as oil coagulation, formation of tar balls, chemical and microbial degradation. Computed surface concentrations relative to the actual spill may therefore be overestimated."
"The animation, thus, is not a detailed, specific prediction, but rather a scenario that could help guide research and mitigation efforts."
| Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:Maybe I missed it. Does the model assume uncontrolled discharge from the well head, and if so at what rate of discharge?At best, this simulation is a cartoon. But it is still one of the better simulation runs I have seen.
From the article:
"Eight million buoyant particles were released continuously from April 20 to September 17, 2010, at the location of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig. ..."
"The dispersal of the particles does not capture such effects as oil coagulation, formation of tar balls, chemical and microbial degradation. Computed surface concentrations relative to the actual spill may therefore be overestimated."
"The animation, thus, is not a detailed, specific prediction, but rather a scenario that could help guide research and mitigation efforts."
I caught that part. I was just wondering if the model assumes a fixed value of eight million particles or if the model factors in continued discharge as some rate.
| KaeYoss |
[i]"The oil cannot be stopped because it is not OIL! It is similar to the black liquid on the X-Files only it is real and the Raccoon people
There are some prime nutjobs out there.
Raccoon people.
Everyone should have realised by now that it is the aboleths. They thought about an Earthfall, but thought about something new this time.
| Tensor |
I caught that part. I was just wondering if the model assumes a fixed value of eight million particles or if the model factors in continued discharge as some rate.
I'm going to have to assume the discharge rate is uniform through out the time period April 10 - Sep 17. Which works out to 37 particles per minute.
The next question I have is how many particles does it take before one *pixel* in the video gets filled in? Or, I guess I'm asking, how many particles per pixel are we looking at?
| Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:I caught that part. I was just wondering if the model assumes a fixed value of eight million particles or if the model factors in continued discharge as some rate.I'm going to have to assume the discharge rate is uniform through out the time period April 10 - Sep 17. Which works out to 37 particles per minute.
The next question I have is how many particles does it take before one *pixel* in the video gets filled in? Or, I guess I'm asking, how many particles per pixel are we looking at?
You've got me stumped.
I tend to be deeply skeptical of many models like this especially without knowing the underlying assumptions, data input and how it's weighted.
Of course I have no doubt that this is an epic disaster that will impact a huge region for decades.
| Tensor |
Someone is going to have to contact the >Manoa's School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology<, and get a copy of their technical report on this matter.
* Tara Hicks Johnson, Outreach Specialist
* 2525 Correa Rd, HIG 135, Honolulu, HI 96822 USA
* Tel: (808) 956-3151 • Fax: (808) 956-9987
* Email: hickst@hawaii.edu
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Bitter Thorn wrote:I caught that part. I was just wondering if the model assumes a fixed value of eight million particles or if the model factors in continued discharge as some rate.I'm going to have to assume the discharge rate is uniform through out the time period April 10 - Sep 17. Which works out to 37 particles per minute.
The next question I have is how many particles does it take before one *pixel* in the video gets filled in? Or, I guess I'm asking, how many particles per pixel are we looking at?
They said if the oil was dispersed for 150 days.
| Bitter Thorn |
Tensor wrote:They said if the oil was dispersed for 150 days.Bitter Thorn wrote:I caught that part. I was just wondering if the model assumes a fixed value of eight million particles or if the model factors in continued discharge as some rate.I'm going to have to assume the discharge rate is uniform through out the time period April 10 - Sep 17. Which works out to 37 particles per minute.
The next question I have is how many particles does it take before one *pixel* in the video gets filled in? Or, I guess I'm asking, how many particles per pixel are we looking at?
Dohp! I see it now. Thanks, I feel a little silly now.
"Eight million buoyant particles were released continuously from April 20 to September 17, 2010, at the location of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig."
They specify buoyant too, and I wonder what a "particle" means in this model.
yellowdingo
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No way. You have to do better than that son.
Look at >THIS<
Thats failed policy thinking... You need to build a Seawall from Florida to Cuba. Then a second a sea wall From Cuba to the Yuchatan. Then Drain the Gulf of Mexico. It may take a century to fix the damage but it can be fixed - the plan here and now is to prevent contamination of the Atlantic Fisheries - The Gulf is Gone.
THis is how it gets fixed. Got a Problem with that?
| Tensor |
Tensor wrote:No way. You have to do better than that son.
Look at >THIS<
Thats failed policy thinking... You need to build a Seawall from Florida to Cuba. Then a second a sea wall From Cuba to the Yuchatan. Then Drain the Gulf of Mexico. It may take a century to fix the damage but it can be fixed - the plan here and now is to prevent contamination of the Atlantic Fisheries - The Gulf is Gone.
THis is how it gets fixed. Got a Problem with that?
Yes, two:
One- You still have not made a pic for me to look at.
yellowdingo
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yellowdingo wrote:Tensor wrote:No way. You have to do better than that son.
Look at >THIS<
Thats failed policy thinking... You need to build a Seawall from Florida to Cuba. Then a second a sea wall From Cuba to the Yuchatan. Then Drain the Gulf of Mexico. It may take a century to fix the damage but it can be fixed - the plan here and now is to prevent contamination of the Atlantic Fisheries - The Gulf is Gone.
THis is how it gets fixed. Got a Problem with that?
Yes, two:
One- You still have not made a pic for me to look at.
Firstly...you dont need artwork. YOu have three options.
Option 1: You can build a sea wall directly south from the Florida Coast in line with Homestead...but that leaves the florida Keys and the Evergladed exposed to the Oil. - That is the Shortest and Straightest Sea Wall and will keep your costs down.
Option 2: Build a Straight sea wall down from Naples thus keeping the Everglades and the Keys outside the Gulf contamination zone. This is going to be twice as much as Option 1.
Option 3: You make use of the Causeway out along the Keys from which you dump the rock and gravel in the tera-tons and build your sea wall curving out as far as you can go along the Keys and then build a wall directly south to Havana. This is further than option 1 but not as much as option 2 - yet it may be more efficient that option 2 and 1.
Draw your own maps.
yellowdingo
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Tensor wrote:yellowdingo wrote:Tensor wrote:No way. You have to do better than that son.
Look at >THIS<
Thats failed policy thinking... You need to build a Seawall from Florida to Cuba. Then a second a sea wall From Cuba to the Yuchatan. Then Drain the Gulf of Mexico. It may take a century to fix the damage but it can be fixed - the plan here and now is to prevent contamination of the Atlantic Fisheries - The Gulf is Gone.
THis is how it gets fixed. Got a Problem with that?
Yes, two:
One- You still have not made a pic for me to look at.
Firstly...you dont need artwork. YOu have three options.
Option 1: You can build a sea wall directly south from the Florida Coast in line with Homestead...but that leaves the florida Keys and the Evergladed exposed to the Oil. - That is the Shortest and Straightest Sea Wall and will keep your costs down.
Option 2: Build a Straight sea wall down from Naples thus keeping the Everglades and the Keys outside the Gulf contamination zone. This is going to be twice as much as Option 1.
Option 3: You make use of the Causeway out along the Keys from which you dump the rock and gravel in the tera-tons and build your sea wall curving out as far as you can go along the Keys and then build a wall directly south to Havana. This is further than option 1 but not as much as option 2 - yet it may be more efficient that option 2 and 1.
Draw your own maps.
| Tensor |
PS The Explosion was caused by the Discovery of the Higgs Bosun which is expanding forward and backward through time from origin. YOu must therefor assume the Spill has always existed...
You're behind on your physics. You need to read Tegmark's stuff.
http://web.mit.edu/physics/people/faculty/tegmark_max.html
Edit: this is more fun http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html
| Tensor |
yellowdingo wrote:OK Here are maps.Tensor wrote:yellowdingo wrote:Tensor wrote:No way. You have to do better than that son.
Look at >THIS<
Thats failed policy thinking... You need to build a Seawall from Florida to Cuba. Then a second a sea wall From Cuba to the Yuchatan. Then Drain the Gulf of Mexico. It may take a century to fix the damage but it can be fixed - the plan here and now is to prevent contamination of the Atlantic Fisheries - The Gulf is Gone.
THis is how it gets fixed. Got a Problem with that?
Yes, two:
One- You still have not made a pic for me to look at.
Firstly...you dont need artwork. YOu have three options.
Option 1: You can build a sea wall directly south from the Florida Coast in line with Homestead...but that leaves the florida Keys and the Evergladed exposed to the Oil. - That is the Shortest and Straightest Sea Wall and will keep your costs down.
Option 2: Build a Straight sea wall down from Naples thus keeping the Everglades and the Keys outside the Gulf contamination zone. This is going to be twice as much as Option 1.
Option 3: You make use of the Causeway out along the Keys from which you dump the rock and gravel in the tera-tons and build your sea wall curving out as far as you can go along the Keys and then build a wall directly south to Havana. This is further than option 1 but not as much as option 2 - yet it may be more efficient that option 2 and 1.
Draw your own maps.
Two - you linked to wotc. (what's up with that?)
Crimson Jester
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Crimson Jester wrote:I hope it gets better.Bitter Thorn wrote:Crimson Jester wrote:I like maps.I sense boredom. ;)Lack of sleep. 10 hours shifts, spending way too much money on things other then what we should be.
I like maps.
I just need to get finances in order. Damn this sucks. I am making enough it is just everyone and their cousin wants it NOW.
| Bitter Thorn |
Bitter Thorn wrote:I just need to get finances in order. Damn this sucks. I am making enough it is just everyone and their cousin wants it NOW.Crimson Jester wrote:I hope it gets better.Bitter Thorn wrote:Crimson Jester wrote:I like maps.I sense boredom. ;)Lack of sleep. 10 hours shifts, spending way too much money on things other then what we should be.
I like maps.
I hear you on the money front.
Crimson Jester
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Bitter Thorn wrote:Giant Underwater Plume Confirmed—Gulf Oil Not Degrading
Bacteria aren't gobbling up Deepwater Horizon oil, study says.
My neighbor says there was no Gulf Oil Spill. It was all a plot by democrats to attack the oil companies -- I mean have you ever seen an oil spill?
How much medication is he/she on?
| Tensor |
Tensor wrote:How much medication is he/she on?Bitter Thorn wrote:Giant Underwater Plume Confirmed—Gulf Oil Not Degrading
Bacteria aren't gobbling up Deepwater Horizon oil, study says.
My neighbor says there was no Gulf Oil Spill. It was all a plot by democrats to attack the oil companies -- I mean have you ever seen an oil spill?
She is 67, and sits in her house watching fox news all day. Her fervor for that news channel is known in my community. Sometimes when I walk to get my mail we meet each other on the path and walk together and chat.
Crimson Jester
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Crimson Jester wrote:Tensor wrote:How much medication is he/she on?Bitter Thorn wrote:Giant Underwater Plume Confirmed—Gulf Oil Not Degrading
Bacteria aren't gobbling up Deepwater Horizon oil, study says.
My neighbor says there was no Gulf Oil Spill. It was all a plot by democrats to attack the oil companies -- I mean have you ever seen an oil spill?
She is 67, and sits in her house watching fox news all day. Her fervor for that news channel is known in my community. Sometimes when I walk to get my mail we meet each other on the path and walk together and chat.
Explains oh so much.
| Kirth Gersen |
She is 67, and sits in her house watching fox news all day. Her fervor for that news channel is known in my community.
I travel around Texas a lot on business. Every hotel I've stayed in in this state (dozens of them) has the TV in the breakfast area permanently set on Fox News. There is one exception: a tiny Days Inn out in the middle of nowehere run by an Indian couple -- they leave the cartoons on for the kids.
| The Crimson Jester, Rogue Lord |
Tensor wrote:She is 67, and sits in her house watching fox news all day. Her fervor for that news channel is known in my community.I travel around Texas a lot on business. Every hotel I've stayed in in this state (dozens of them) has the TV in the breakfast area permanently set on Fox News. There is one exception: a tiny Days Inn out in the middle of nowehere run by an Indian couple -- they leave the cartoons on for the kids.
That explains so much.