Keldan Marr
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To prepare for an upcoming adventure, our Wizard has declared he is summoning a Lantern Archon and commanding it to cast Continual Flame on 20 or so rocks, so the party will basically have a stack of Everburning Torches for free. We round robin DM in this particular campaign, so it is up for a vote between the DMs whether to allow this. The Summon Monster description states summoned creatures cannot be ordered to use spell like abilities with expensive material components, such as Wish. I guess the real question is, does the 50 gp worth of ruby dust used to cast Continual Flame count as "expensive" ?
| MillerHero RPG Superstar 2012 Top 4 |
Spell like Abilities have no focus component.
So the real question is what Andrew Betts mentioned. Does a spell with a permanent duration cast by a summoned creature end when the summoning ends?
| Charender |
from Conjuration spells section
Summoning: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower, but it is not really dead. It takes 24 hours for the creature to reform, during which time it can't be summoned again.
When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have.
So no, that is not a viable strategy.
0gre
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When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have.
As Andrew and Charender said, continual light won't work. Any spell with a duration expires.
You can on the other hand use spells with duration instant to create lasting effects. Wall of stone, fabricate, creation... not sure what else off the top of my head.
| meatrace |
from Conjuration spells section
** spoiler omitted **So no, that is not a viable strategy.
That looks right. However, remember that is only for things with a duration. Instantaneous effects stay in place. For example, healing from a summoned creature doesn't go away once the creature does.
If he really wants an unlimited supply of Continual Flame, he'll have to bind it like a good munchkin.
| Remco Sommeling |
Spell like Abilities have no focus component.
So the real question is what Andrew Betts mentioned. Does a spell with a permanent duration cast by a summoned creature end when the summoning ends?
I am pretty sure the description means to say that SLA copying spells with expensive components are not allowed, since like you pointed out SLA never have a material component.
It is a balance issue ofcourse, might not make much sense, just say the summoning magic prohibits the creature from using some forms of magic.