Two Weapon Fighting, single attack bonus?


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Shadow Lodge

Seeking clarification since I'm not sure if this is a house rule, or if this is how it should be under RAW and I seem to have forgotten the correct interpretation:

Assume you have a Finesse Rogue2/Fighter2 that has TWF and Weapon Finesse as feats.

Character wields dual short swords (light weapons); when making a Full Attack to get both attacks, he would use the -2/-2 penalty for TWF (off-hand light), but if he only makes a single attack in the round, then he's at his full attack bonus, correct?

In other words, simply *carrying* another weapon when he's not attacking with it does NOT cause him to have the TWF penalty to a single attack, only *attacking* with two weapons incurs the penalty, correct?

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Two-Weapon Fighting

If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon.
Table: Off-hand weapon is light and Two-Weapon Fighting feat –2 –2


ValmarTheMad wrote:

Seeking clarification since I'm not sure if this is a house rule, or if this is how it should be under RAW and I seem to have forgotten the correct interpretation:

Assume you have a Finesse Rogue2/Fighter2 that has TWF and Weapon Finesse as feats.

Character wields dual short swords (light weapons); when making a Full Attack to get both attacks, he would use the -2/-2 penalty for TWF (off-hand light), but if he only makes a single attack in the round, then he's at his full attack bonus, correct?

In other words, simply *carrying* another weapon when he's not attacking with it does NOT cause him to have the TWF penalty to a single attack, only *attacking* with two weapons incurs the penalty, correct?

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Two-Weapon Fighting

If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon.
Table: Off-hand weapon is light and Two-Weapon Fighting feat –2 –2

correct, see it like carrying a shield, using it for AC bonus won't make you attack with a penalty for TWF either, but if you attack with it you will get the usual TWF penalties.


Correct.

If you don't attack with it, then holding a second weapon in your hand doesn't cause you any penalties.

However, although I'm not sure it's explicitly stated, it's clearly reasonable that other TWF fighting feats wouldn't be applicable either, like Two Weapon Rend (which actually does make it very clear), or Two Weapon Defense (which doesn't make it clear). Really, if you're just holding that second weapon, not using it to fight, that it's not very defensible either. If you are using it to parry, or keep enemies at bay, or whatever the feat lets you do that improves your AC, then that probably counts as "wielding" it, at least enough to take the penalty on your attack rolls. Again, that's not explicit, but it makes sense to me.

Shadow Lodge

DM_Blake wrote:

Correct.

If you don't attack with it, then holding a second weapon in your hand doesn't cause you any penalties.

However, although I'm not sure it's explicitly stated, it's clearly reasonable that other TWF fighting feats wouldn't be applicable either, like Two Weapon Rend (which actually does make it very clear), or Two Weapon Defense (which doesn't make it clear). Really, if you're just holding that second weapon, not using it to fight, that it's not very defensible either. If you are using it to parry, or keep enemies at bay, or whatever the feat lets you do that improves your AC, then that probably counts as "wielding" it, at least enough to take the penalty on your attack rolls. Again, that's not explicit, but it makes sense to me.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it!


Actually I would allow a character to benefit from the Two Weapon Defense feat regardless of whether they were using both weapons to attack or not.

First, the feat isn't all that great to start with, no reason to nerf it even more.

Second, if a character charged into combat with the intent to use two weapons I think he could parry with the off-hand weapon just as if he had a shield, even though he can't use the weapon to attack. He can't attack with it because he could only make a single attack after a charge.

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