Sly Draw


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

First off, here's the feat:

Adventurer's Armory wrote:

Sly Draw

You can draw your weapon with suchspeed and finesse that your opponents don’t realize they’re threatened.

Prerequisite: Quick Draw.

Benefit: When you draw a light weapon, you may make a Sleight of Hand check instead of a Bluff check to feint in combat. Other feats and abilities that affect a feint still apply to your feint.

My question is pretty simple: What action does the feint take?

As written, I'm seeing this feat giving you the ability to feint as a part of the act of drawing a weapon. Which the prerequisite of quick draw gives you as a free action.

This usually isn't that big of a deal. Normally people only draw a weapon once or twice in a combat, as weapons tend to be enchanted pretty heavily.

However: If, say, a rogue were to hide several daggers on their person and use quick draw/sly draw to simply continuously feint with each attack, strike their opponent with a sneak attack, then drop the weapon (Free action) to draw another one.

I don't see this being particularly broken as later you're certainly going to have monetary issues with getting enough enchanted daggers and/or other light weapons to keep up with AC values, especially on Rogue BAB.

What say thee, rules experts?


Depends:
Page 201 Pathfinder 'Player's Handbook'
"Feinting is a standard action."

If you have the 'Improved Feint' feat it becomes a 'move action'.

And certain prestige classes (non-core mostly) can even speed it up further.

So the answer is that it depends on whether or not the're trained in the art of feinting.

Scarab Sages

Yep, bluffing your way into extra damage isn't for the feint of heart.

Liberty's Edge

Magus Black wrote:

Depends:

Page 201 Pathfinder 'Player's Handbook'
"Feinting is a standard action."

If you have the 'Improved Feint' feat it becomes a 'move action'.

And certain prestige classes (non-core mostly) can even speed it up further.

So the answer is that it depends on whether or not the're trained in the art of feinting.

The point being the feat as written indicates the feint check as part of drawing the weapon (a free action). Are you saying this is not a correct interperetation?

Scarab Sages

Here are the mechanical benefits of the feat:

When you draw a light weapon, you may make a Sleight of Hand check instead of a Bluff check to feint in combat. Other feats and abilities that affect a feint still apply to your feint.

So, switch bluff for sleight of hand.

Thats.... about it.

Nothing there about it changing action types, so it doesn't.

Liberty's Edge

Magicdealer wrote:

Here are the mechanical benefits of the feat:

When you draw a light weapon, you may make a Sleight of Hand check instead of a Bluff check to feint in combat. Other feats and abilities that affect a feint still apply to your feint.

So, switch bluff for sleight of hand.

Thats.... about it.

Nothing there about it changing action types, so it doesn't.

Fair enough. Fixes that problem. I do wish they'd have indicated a time frame where the sly draw switches the check. I suppose it should be directly after.

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