...and a friend of mine posted a great set of soccer/world-cup inspired feats/ideas on our blog. My personal favorites: "Bend it like Pelor" and the prerequisites for "Headbutt".
Have a look and enjoy (link tenletter)! Go Bafanabafana! :D
For pete's sake, at least keep that stuff out of here.
You don't like the world cup? o.O
You don't like the world cup? o.O
Love it! I particularly liked the Swan Dive (the Argentine natinal pastime, which they interrupt occasionally to play soccer) and the Headbutt - prerequisite French.
I would suggest a couple more, based on last year's women's soccer mayhem between New Mexico and Brigham Young.
Hair Pull - combat maneuver, must be behind opponent with long enough hair or braids to get a good grip. Successful use puts player on the ground like a trip, and inflicts 1d3 damage.
Ranged Coup de Grace - standard action - kick something into the face of downed opponent, range increment 10', target treated as being prone against ranged attack, damage 1d3.
You don't like the world cup? o.O
You could say that.
Or you could say that the idea of millions of people going nuts (and hurting/killing each other) over a bunch of millionaires chasing a toy around is one of the main reasons I lost faith in humanity.
Sorry, Lorekeeper, most Americans are barely even aware that there is a Worldcup. Soccer is about as followed at Ping Pong. I realize that makes us seem more than a little odd within the international community, but there it is.
In my opinion, discussing ways to make soccer-related feats is a reasonable topic for General Discussion, but is maybe better served in Suggestions/House Rules/Homebrew.
Sorry, Lorekeeper, most Americans are barely even aware that there is a Worldcup.
That's a pity really, since you have a team playing this Saturday. I actually think that they might do reasonably well.
Soccer(football) is really picking up here in Canada. It's a much cheaper sport than hockey and a lot of the hockey players play the game in the summer. I like soccer but don't pay much attention to the World Cup but I'd love to attend a game. I like live games more than TV though I'd go to the pub for game once it gets down the to the finals.
Or you could say that the idea of millions of people going nuts (and hurting/killing each other) over a bunch of millionaires chasing a toy around is one of the main reasons I lost faith in humanity.
Good point. At least it is not a bunch of grown men sitting around playing pretend.
What?
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Sorry, Lorekeeper, most Americans are barely even aware that there is a Worldcup. Soccer is about as followed at Ping Pong. I realize that makes us seem more than a little odd within the international community, but there it is.
I kind of agree that this should be (and will be, I'm sure) moved to a more appropriate forum.
Having said that, I think it's safe to say soccer is a bit more popular than ping pong. Americans are slowly but surely catching up with the rest of the planet, in fact.
The sport has actually become very popular here in the States and is growing every year. The MLS celebrated it's 10th anniversary and has had a number of expansion teams recently (including a VERY popular new team right in Paizo Land - the Seattle Sounders) along with a host of brand new, soccer specific stadiums built in the last few years. Most figures currently put soccer at about the same popularity as hockey in America. There are more youth soccer players in the US each year than youth football or baseball players, in fact.
And, I think there are a LOT of Americans who are very aware of the World Cup and who will be watching right along with the rest of the world. I know I will!
Sorry, Lorekeeper, most Americans are barely even aware that there is a Worldcup. Soccer is about as followed at Ping Pong. I realize that makes us seem more than a little odd within the international community, but there it is.
In my opinion, discussing ways to make soccer-related feats is a reasonable topic for General Discussion, but is maybe better served in Suggestions/House Rules/Homebrew.
That is far less true then it was maybe 20 years ago. The truth is soccer has a real following in the states, even outside of immigrant populations. It would be hard to say soccer is as followed as ping pon to the 15 thousand or so people that regularly attend redbulls games here in new york, or the considerably more that attend LA galaxy games.
It is also the among the most widely played sports amongst american children, which means its following will only continue to grow.
@KaeYoss - While certainly many top soccer players are payed as well as pro athletes can be, there are many who are not overpaid superstars. None of the American players are millionairs, let alone teams like algeria, south africa, etc where teams while made up of proffecionals are hardly star-studded.
To the OP, I love the idea. I once created a whole class based around players of a game somewhat like football (soccer). And rules for the game itself. I will have to dig it up later if i can.
And, I think there are a LOT of Americans who are very aware of the World Cup.....
Is that anything like the Goblet of Fire?
Sorry, Lorekeeper, most Americans are barely even aware that there is a Worldcup.
One of the few things I'm envious of Americans about.
I like live games more than TV though I'd go to the pub for game once it gets down the to the finals.
Not many people know that, but you can play the game yourself. It's a lot more healthy.
Did you know only Canada, Samoa and the United States (according to wiki) and South Africa still uses the word "Soccer". The rest have conformed to football.
What's very weird to me is that in every single Hollywood movie I watch, the children are always being dropped off at or picked up from or playing soccer.
Is this because children are too young to play American football?
(we play rugby from 5-6 years.)
Or you could say that the idea of millions of people going nuts (and hurting/killing each other) over a bunch of millionaires chasing a toy around is one of the main reasons I lost faith in humanity.Good point. At least it is not a bunch of grown men sitting around playing pretend.
Oh, but it is.
It's a lot of grown men (well, legally) sitting around pretending that they're doing sports.The big difference is in that other thing you so slyly bring up, people usually know they play pretend, they engage their brain and not just their vocal cords, and when the game is over, practically nobody goes out in groups and assaults other people because they pretend to belong to a different class then they.
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As an American trying to learn more about the world's most beloved sport, I'm thrilled that the World Cup is here and it's getting the US coverage that it's getting.
While I'll always live and breathe American football (GO VIKINGS!), I have become a reasonably big Arsenal fan (my buddy from London turned me on to them) and this'll be my first World Cup where I not only watch lots of games and have a better idea of what's going on, but I also know the names and faces of many of the players.
What I'm looking for most in the Cup: watching Maradona try to coach, (LOL) and seeing Argentina -- who should probably win, lose because of bad coaching.
Oh, and yeah, watching Rooney (and other ManU germs) get smacked around.
Did you know only Canada, Samoa and the United States (according to wiki) and South Africa still uses the word "Soccer". The rest have conformed to football.
I never understand why north-americans call "football" a game they uses their feet on ball about 5% of the time.
Or you could say that the idea of millions of people going nuts (and hurting/killing each other) over a bunch of millionaires chasing a toy around is one of the main reasons I lost faith in humanity.Good point. At least it is not a bunch of grown men sitting around playing pretend.
Oh, but it is.
It's a lot of grown men (well, legally) sitting around pretending that they're doing sports.The big difference is in that other thing you so slyly bring up, people usually know they play pretend, they engage their brain and not just their vocal cords, and when the game is over, practically nobody goes out in groups and assaults other people because they pretend to belong to a different class then they.
Are you saying that the majority of soccer spectators go out in groups and assault other people?
I think the point he is trying to make, is that you can make any activity seem childish. If you don't like soccer then just leave the thread alone.
I particularly liked the Swan Dive (the Argentine natinal pastime, which they interrupt occasionally to play soccer)
Wait -- Italy is now part of Argentina? Time for me to update my globe!
Did you know only Canada, Samoa and the United States (according to wiki) and South Africa still uses the word "Soccer". The rest have conformed to football.
What's very weird to me is that in every single Hollywood movie I watch, the children are always being dropped off at or picked up from or playing soccer.
Is this because children are too young to play American football?
(we play rugby from 5-6 years.)
In the states, soccer starts younger some town leagues as young as 4 years old. At least in my town organized football doesn't start until 8 years old and a lot of kids don't play organized football until college.
@KaeYoss - While certainly many top soccer players are payed as well as pro athletes can be, there are many who are not overpaid superstars. None of the American players are millionairs, let alone teams like algeria, south africa, etc where teams while made up of proffecionals are hardly star-studded.
Little personal experience with those parts.
So American soccer players aren't millionairs*. I know that a lot of soccer players are millionaires here. And I know they're usually the saints in this cult.
And that's not really the point: It's the people hurting, and occasionally killing, each other over trivial crap. Of course, for a lot of the people, it's just an excuse to be a+#~&&%s, but enough of those brain-dead idiots really believe in their sports (believe as in religion) and attack others because they're convicted that their team is best and others deserve to be attacked for their team beating their own.
*The sport is only now catching on over there. It's the basketball players, baseball players, football players that are millionaires there.
Did you know only Canada, Samoa and the United States (according to wiki) and South Africa still uses the word "Soccer". The rest have conformed to football.
What's very weird to me is that in every single Hollywood movie I watch, the children are always being dropped off at or picked up from or playing soccer.
Is this because children are too young to play American football?
(we play rugby from 5-6 years.)
American football will be football in the united states for the forseable future. The reason is most likely that Actual football (soccer) rugby, and American Football all have a common origin. It took some time for Football(soccer) to get started here, and by then the rugbyish version also called football was firmly entrenched.
And its not about age, its about availability. I have read but do not pretend to know if it is a fact or not that soccer is now the most popular organized sport among children in america. The reasons are pretty straight forward. It is not body or gender specific. Whether you are fast, big, short, quick, male, female, young, old etc, you can play football. The only requirement is physical fitness, which parents obviously like for their children.
In addition to that, it is an inexpensive sport. A specialized field is not really required. All you need is 2 goals, a ball and some open space. And trashcans, cones, or anything else can stand in for the goal. Very few other sports can be played in their entirety without specialized equipment, and fields.
It is also deemed less dangerous then some of the other major sports in america, though short of American Football I am not certain how true this is or isnt.
Are you saying that the majority of soccer spectators go out in groups and assault other people?
Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm saying that it happens. A lot. Not all do it, but enough that it is a real problem.
And the percentage of football fans being violent is a huge lot bigger than RPG players engaging in group violence. Except make-belief violence, but that doesn't get anyone into the hospital so it doesn't count.
I think the point he is trying to make, is that you can make any activity seem childish.
I can. But that's because I'm good. I'm not even trying here, though.
If you don't like soccer then just leave the thread alone.
If you don't like the fact that hooligans exist, then become Batman and do something against it.
This "if you don't agree with me you should go away" crap never works, anyway.
@KaeYoss - While certainly many top soccer players are payed as well as pro athletes can be, there are many who are not overpaid superstars. None of the American players are millionairs, let alone teams like algeria, south africa, etc where teams while made up of proffecionals are hardly star-studded.Little personal experience with those parts.
So American soccer players aren't millionairs*. I know that a lot of soccer players are millionaires here. And I know they're usually the saints in this cult.
And that's not really the point: It's the people hurting, and occasionally killing, each other over trivial crap. Of course, for a lot of the people, it's just an excuse to be a#@%%&@s, but enough of those brain-dead idiots really believe in their sports (believe as in religion) and attack others because they're convicted that their team is best and others deserve to be attacked for their team beating their own.
*The sport is only now catching on over there. It's the basketball players, baseball players, football players that are millionaires there.
Well the aggressive nature of sport I believe is NORMALLY a good thing. Fans getting riled up and shouting cursing, and such in support of their team is a good thing. We have become a far less physical society throughout the world, when the fact is we are still by our nature, animals. People need avenues to 'let off steam'. For some that is playing or spectating sports. It is a healthy and natural thing. Does that sometime expand into fights, or even riots? Yes. But that is no more or no less the case in any other situation where people with opposing viewpoints gather. That is just human nature, and has little to do with sport.
I am a sports fan, I follow several, particularly football, american football and hockey. Watching and playing sports offers me an opportunity to interact with and bond with family and friends. One that is inherantly positive. Just because some idiots take things too far does not mean there is problem with the activity itself, there is a problem with the people.
American football will be football in the united states for the forseable future. The reason is most likely that Actual football (soccer) rugby, and American Football all have a common origin.
All hail the Shove!
You know, you might get me to watch if they used human heads instead of leather balls.
In addition to that, it is an inexpensive sport. A specialized field is not really required. All you need is 2 goals, a ball and some open space. And trashcans, cones, or anything else can stand in for the goal. Very few other sports can be played in their entirety without specialized equipment, and fields.
You don't need a ball - unless you use a more relaxed definition.
All you need is a playing field (which can be anything, including a street), some understanding where the goals are (you don't even need trash cans), and something that can work as a ball. big lump of rag, or a can, or something.
Literally everyone who can walk can play.
And it can be tremendous fun. As long as you play yourself and not use the word "we" to mean "me and a bunch of complete strangers" when you say stuff like "We won!" (newsflash: THEY won, YOU watched).
Oh, and as long as people stay nice.
Are you saying that the majority of soccer spectators go out in groups and assault other people?Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm saying that it happens. A lot. Not all do it, but enough that it is a real problem.
And the percentage of football fans being violent is a huge lot bigger than RPG players engaging in group violence. Except make-belief violence, but that doesn't get anyone into the hospital so it doesn't count.
I don't know why you are comparing soccer fans to RPG players. You're basically saying that you dislike soccer because their fans are violent. I don't think it has anything to do with the sport. If another sport was more popular in the countries where this happens, and their supporters were violent, would you then also dislike that sport?
I think the point he is trying to make, is that you can make any activity seem childish.I can. But that's because I'm good. I'm not even trying here, though.
If you don't like soccer then just leave the thread alone.If you don't like the fact that hooligans exist, then become Batman and do something against it.
This "if you don't agree with me you should go away" crap never works, anyway.
To me the point of the thread was to highlight and build anticipation to one of the biggest sporting events in the world. It's not that I want you to go away if you don't agree with me, it's that I am pretty sure nobody cares about your deluded hatred for soccer/football.
Well the aggressive nature of sport I believe is NORMALLY a good thing.
Nah. Aggressive makes people stupid and hostile.
We have become a far less physical society throughout the world, when the fact is we are still by our nature, animals.
Yet we rise above our nature. It's what makes us human.
People need avenues to 'let off steam'. For some that is playing or spectating sports. It is a healthy and natural thing.
This is not letting off steam. It's getting emotionally connected, and that connection builds up more steam.
Playing? Sure. Great way to exercise and find a physical counterbalance.
Does that sometime expand into fights, or even riots? Yes. But that is no more or no less the case in any other situation where people with opposing viewpoints gather. That is just human nature, and has little to do with sport.
As I said: Few people are injured over RPGs. Just one example of situations where people disagree without fighting physically.
Just because some idiots take things too far does not mean there is problem with the activity itself, there is a problem with the people.
Some idiots is an understatement. If it were just some idiots, it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is.
I have nothing against being a fan. But I know far too many people who take it too far.
Well the aggressive nature of sport I believe is NORMALLY a good thing.Nah. Aggressive makes people stupid and hostile.
I disagree. Human nature to be aggressive is there to allow us to protect ourselves, and fend for limited resources. Aggressive does not automatically mean stupid or hostile. It means actively persuing what you want. We dont live in happy hippy land, aggressiveness is often a neccessity.
We have become a far less physical society throughout the world, when the fact is we are still by our nature, animals.Yet we rise above our nature. It's what makes us human.
The idea that we need to rise above our natures is nonsense to me. What is wrong with out nature? We are both man and animal because that is how we evolved. To remove the instincts that drive us is just as big a loss in my oppinion as to remove the intellect that directs us.
People need avenues to 'let off steam'. For some that is playing or spectating sports. It is a healthy and natural thing.This is not letting off steam. It's getting emotionally connected, and that connection builds up more steam.
Playing? Sure. Great way to exercise and find a physical counterbalance.
Many people need that though. Getting emotionally connected and then venting that emotion is cathartic. And while being physically active is preferable, being spectators is often the next best option for those who cannot. There is still the expression of that emotion that allows people to go on living their normal lives the other 6 days a week.
Does that sometime expand into fights, or even riots? Yes. But that is no more or no less the case in any other situation where people with opposing viewpoints gather. That is just human nature, and has little to do with sport.As I said: Few people are injured over RPGs. Just one example of situations where people disagree without fighting physically.
RPG players very rarely gather in large numbers, and this is also a very specific subset of society. You are talking about a group of people specifically gathering to participate together in a non-active activity. There is a huge different between that and sports spectators.
Just because some idiots take things too far does not mean there is problem with the activity itself, there is a problem with the people.
Some idiots is an understatement. If it were just some idiots, it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is.
I have nothing against being a fan. But I know far too many people who take it too far.
The actual problem of 'Football hooligans' that raged in europe for a long while was essentially a case of organized crime. The so called 'fan clubs' met and planned criminal activities extending beyond just fights and riots to looting and robbery. Such people exist in most walks of life. Criminals are not unique to sport. It just so happens that there was a large group of criminal that exploited this particular type of gathering.
And apparently you do have something against being a fan, because there was no condition of 'taking it too far' when you made your comment about people following around millionairs.
I don't know why you are comparing soccer fans to RPG players.
Read the whole threat. It will become clear.
You're basically saying that you dislike soccer because their fans are violent. I don't think it has anything to do with the sport. If another sport was more popular in the countries where this happens, and their supporters were violent, would you then also dislike that sport?
I don't dislike soccer per se. Great sport. Played it myself often (not professionally, Handball was more my thing, though that was because a lot of my friends were playing)
To me the point of the thread was to highlight and build anticipation to one of the biggest sporting events in the world.
You need a thread in the Pathfinder RPG section of the Paizo boards for that?
It's not that I want you to go away if you don't agree with me, it's that I am pretty sure nobody cares about your deluded hatred for soccer/football.
Yeah, repeat it and really go in my face. That will make me leave.
If you believe that, I have some landmarks I need to sell real fast - they're cheap!
Call me deluded because I think that tens of thousands of hooligans is just a couple of people, along with a lot more people who might not do this "professionally" but who will be quick with the violence is not a harmless, unrelated thing.
I disagree. Human nature to be aggressive is there to allow us to protect ourselves, and fend for limited resources. Aggressive does not automatically mean stupid or hostile. It means actively persuing what you want. We dont live in happy hippy land, aggressiveness is often a neccessity.
Well, we live in different worlds it seems. In my world, cooperation is almost always more effective than aggression. Keeping a level head will get you further than lashing out nine times out of ten.
But lots of luck over there in the Death Zone.
There is some determination involved, sure, but not aggression.
The idea that we need to rise above our natures is nonsense to me. What is wrong with out nature?
You think we would be where we are if we stuck to our nature?
Humans do a lot of things that are against nature. I'm not talking about burning trees. I'm talking about supporting specimens of our species that hold us back, not going to war against members of different tribes (or, in today's time, against foreigners). It's a thousand things.
We are both man and animal because that is how we evolved.
We left evolution behind a long time ago.
And while being physically active is preferable, being spectators is often the next best option for those who cannot.
Are too lazy, you mean.
Sure, there might be a couple of people who really cannot. But that's a really small minority.
RPG players very rarely gather in large numbers
Okay, I never was to Gen Con, so I'll take your word for it that it is Sodom deaths are commonplace there.
And apparently you do have something against being a fan, because there was no condition of 'taking it too far' when you made your comment about people following around millionairs.
You're wrong.
I can understand that you walked into that trap, as I appear perfect, but I must tell you that even I occasionally don't make myself clear, that I make statements that are later misunderstood, that sort of thing.
I particularly liked the Swan Dive (the Argentine natinal pastime, which they interrupt occasionally to play soccer)Wait -- Italy is now part of Argentina? Time for me to update my globe!
The Argentines think they are Italians and act accordingly. Actually, due to their pride in their European heritage, there is an old joke that goes:
"The Argentines believe that they can cook and make love like the Italians, and are as organized and efficient as the Germans. Unfortunately, they cook and make love like the Germans and are as organized and efficient as the Italians."
Many apologies to any Argentines on this thread:)
Actually, that leads me to another idea for a soccer-related feat, inspired by Maradona:
Divine Hand - 1/day may deflect any missile weapon into a critical hit without the GM noticing anything.
Many apologies to any Argentines on this thread:)
Well, and what about all the insulted Germans and Italians?
(to be at least a little on topic: I don´t care very much for the soccer world cup - I will probably watch a few games of the German team, if I have nothing more important to do, but thats about it.)
Ok maybe it's my less than sunshiney nature here but while I realise that america does have a team and I honestly hope they do very well I will be glad to see it over with no matter who wins.
I am some what mixed about the growing trend of soccer here in the states. I see more and more teams in the parks around here( mostly hispanic) and more children playing at younger ages.
I can predict the reaction the very first time an American soccer teams wins this world cup thing, the rest of the world will be outraged over it giving them more reason to dislike us and the majority of the U.S. simply won't care because they havn't been following the world cup. Case in point the Americas Cup in sailing, nobody cared until it was lost and then when the same captain that lost it got it back he had his 15 minutes and then we simply went back to not careing.
I particularly liked the Swan Dive (the Argentine natinal pastime, which they interrupt occasionally to play soccer)Wait -- Italy is now part of Argentina? Time for me to update my globe!The Argentines think they are Italians and act accordingly. Actually, due to their pride in their European heritage, there is an old joke that goes:
"The Argentines believe that they can cook and make love like the Italians, and are as organized and efficient as the Germans. Unfortunately, they cook and make love like the Germans and are as organized and efficient as the Italians."
Many apologies to any Argentines on this thread:)
Actually, that leads me to another idea for a soccer-related feat, inspired by Maradona:
Divine Hand - 1/day may deflect any missile weapon into a critical hit without the GM noticing anything.
Thanks for the post Brian.
I had no idea about the saying but you have just given me a new mission in life.I have had sex with both italian and german guys and it was a blast, now I'm going to have top find an argentinian to do a comparision.
I particularly liked the Swan Dive (the Argentine natinal pastime, which they interrupt occasionally to play soccer)Wait -- Italy is now part of Argentina? Time for me to update my globe!The Argentines think they are Italians and act accordingly. Actually, due to their pride in their European heritage, there is an old joke that goes:
"The Argentines believe that they can cook and make love like the Italians, and are as organized and efficient as the Germans. Unfortunately, they cook and make love like the Germans and are as organized and efficient as the Italians."
Many apologies to any Argentines on this thread:)
Actually, that leads me to another idea for a soccer-related feat, inspired by Maradona:
Divine Hand - 1/day may deflect any missile weapon into a critical hit without the GM noticing anything.
Thanks for the post Brian.
I had no idea about the saying but you have just given me a new mission in life.
I have had sex with both italian and german guys and it was a blast, now I'm going to have top find an argentinian to do a comparision.
From what I hear at work, they're sweethearts. I have no idea what they're like in the sack, but they do like a lot of foods and will probably cook something for you. Whether or not its edible is up to the individual argentinian.
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OK maybe it's my less than sunshiny nature here but while I realize that America does have a team and I honestly hope they do very well I will be glad to see it over with no matter who wins.
I am some what mixed about the growing trend of soccer here in the states. I see more and more teams in the parks around here( mostly Hispanic) and more children playing at younger ages.
I can predict the reaction the very first time an American soccer teams wins this world cup thing, the rest of the world will be outraged over it giving them more reason to dislike us and the majority of the U.S. simply won't care because they haven't been following the world cup. Case in point the Americas Cup in sailing, nobody cared until it was lost and then when the same captain that lost it got it back he had his 15 minutes and then we simply went back to not caring.
Except here, where the boat is on display and the captain is from. Which is weird since Kansas is such a landlocked state and they have not really taken care of the boat since it was put on display. Which basically means everyone forgot and yeah, you know what never mind.
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