The contingency spell says you can only have 1 contingency. What if I cast limited wish or wish and had it duplicate A contingency (rather than THE contingency SPELL)? Could I then bypass the single contingency clause in return for an expensive material component?
The contingency spell says you can only have 1 contingency. What if I cast limited wish or wish and had it duplicate A contingency (rather than THE contingency SPELL)? Could I then bypass the single contingency clause in return for an expensive material component?Not completely sure Ravingdork. I can't really speak on the RAW in this respect, but I can tell you how I'd rule it.
Limited Wish can be used to wish for the capability to maintain an additional contingency spell. After that, you are able to actually CAST contingency the spell again.
Limited Wish is limited to a single additional contingency. If you used full on Wish you could wish for another. (For a maximum of 3 contingencies)
That sounds like a perfectly reasonable ruling. I might just steal that should I become GM at some point.
Interesting question. Here's my take:
"Duplicate any spell" means what it literally says. You are duplicating the spell, not duplicating the effects of the spell. Which means, if you duplicate Contingency on a single target that already has a Contingency, you end up with two Contingency spells, which is not allowed. The second Contingency spell dispels and replaces the first as normal.
However...
One thing a Limited Wish can do, the last bullet point, says "Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects".
Now that's a whole new ballgame.
So, don't "duplicate" a Contingency. Simply produce the effect of a Contingency spell. Now, you technically don't have two Contingency spells in effect. You have one Contingency and one Limited Wish, two very different spells, even though their end result might be very similar.
Following this logic, you can use Limited Wish to have the "effects" of hundreds of Contingency spells on you; Contingency is limited to only one per target, but Limited Wish has no such limitation.
Yes, that's playing just a little fast and loose with the RAW, but you ought to get something for the higher spell level and the loss of 1,500 GP every time you cast Limited Wish.
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The contingency spell can only have one contingency...another casting undos the first one. Limited wish and wish is not a contingency spell...however it creates a spell that does exactly what contingency says...except you would have to chance contincency spell for limited wish and wish. So you could have 3 up if you used all three...but the wish options gets mighty expensive at 25k gold a pop. Limited wish at 1500k isn't so bad, but not something you can do for every encounter.
So is it safe to say that you, DM_Blake, and you, Cold Napalm, think of kyrt_ryder's ruling as a fair and balanced one? If you hard ballers readily agree on the matter, then that is more than enough for me.
Basically it would be:
First contingency for contingency.
Second contingency from limited wish.
Third contingency from wish.
And you would have to word it is such a way as to NOT duplicate the spell itself (since it doesn't stack).
Probably the best way to handle it would be to use the limited wish contingency for some important situation that you can somewhat anticipate, and with the Wish contingency, set it to go off when you say a special codeword that you set up when you cast it (a word you would never say without intending to trigger the continengcy.) That way the super expensive contingency stays hidden in the wings for that time you really, really, REALLY need it, and you can trigger it at will (in other words it should be a versatile spell lol)So is it safe to say that you, DM_Blake, and you, Cold Napalm, think of kyrt_ryder's ruling as a fair and balanced one? If you hard ballers readily agree on the matter, then that is more than enough for me.
Basically it would be:
First contingency for contingency.
Second contingency from limited wish.
Third contingency from wish.And you would have to word it is such a way as to NOT duplicate the spell itself (since it doesn't stack).
And, I really suspect that a 9th level wish could probably surpass the level limitations on Contingency, so you might wish for a triggered Heal spell, or a triggered Prismatic Wall or a triggered Temporal Stasis. I'd allow that for 25k.
If memory serves, 3.5 has the 9th level Chain Contingency spell. you could reference that one for inspiration and update it similarly to PF using the same wording/shifts as the regular Contingency.
If memory serves, 3.5 has the 9th level Chain Contingency spell. you could reference that one for inspiration and update it similarly to PF using the same wording/shifts as the regular Contingency.
And in what source can that be found?
If memory serves, 3.5 has the 9th level Chain Contingency spell. you could reference that one for inspiration and update it similarly to PF using the same wording/shifts as the regular Contingency.And in what source can that be found?
I want to say it was an FR book. but i am not at home with my library to find it exactly.
this link may help?
http://www.thievesguild.cc/spells/index.php?Number=563
personally I wouldn't allow for another contingency effect on limited wish, for wish I'd allow for something like the chain contingency mentioned. Personally that is enough contingency for me, just like I wouldnt allow players to create a spell that does something like contingency but not quite to cast more of them.