I'm having trouble with this entry on ghoul fever in the Bestiary:
Ghoul Fever: Bite—injury; save Fort DC 13; onset 1 day; frequency 1/day; effect 1d3 Con and 1d3 Dex damage; cure 2 consecutive saves. The save DC is Charisma-based.
Most of that is clear: if you suffer a bite injury from a ghoul, you make an immediate Fort save @ DC 13 to determine whether you contract the disease. If that save is failed, one day later you make another Fort save to determine the disease's effect: failure means CON and DEX loss, success means no effect the first day. Each day, roll again; two consecutive saves means the disease has run its course and no further effects will be felt.
Where does CHA come in?
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I'm having trouble with this entry on ghoul fever in the Bestiary:
Ghoul Fever: Bite—injury; save Fort DC 13; onset 1 day; frequency 1/day; effect 1d3 Con and 1d3 Dex damage; cure 2 consecutive saves. The save DC is Charisma-based.
Where does CHA come in?
That means the actual DC, 13, is based on the ghoul's Charisma. If the ghoul's Charisma goes up, the save DC for saves made against his disease increase.
That means the actual DC, 13, is based on the ghoul's Charisma. If the ghoul's Charisma goes up, the save DC for saves made against his disease increase.
Where does CHA come in?
Specifically, the DC is 10 + (HD/2) + Cha modifier.
Usually, disease and poison ability DCs are Constitution-based, but if the creature in question is undead, it has no Constitution score, and thus Charisma is used instead.
Specifically, the DC is 10 + (HD/2) + Cha modifier.That means the actual DC, 13, is based on the ghoul's Charisma. If the ghoul's Charisma goes up, the save DC for saves made against his disease increase.
Where does CHA come in?
Hmm. Okay, makes sense. Since the above equation isn't part of the Ghoul entry, can I assume that the "DC 10 + HD/2" portion is a general rule for any poison or disease associated with a creature's natural attacks? And if so, where would that be spelled out?
Thanks, everyone.
Hmm. Okay, makes sense. Since the above equation isn't part of the Ghoul entry, can I assume that the "DC 10 + HD/2" portion is a general rule for any poison or disease associated with a creature's natural attacks? And if so, where would that be spelled out?
Thanks, everyone.
From the Bestiary:
Disease (Ex or Su) A creature with this ability causes disease
in those it contacts. The effects of the disease, including its
save, frequency, and cure, are included in the creature's
description. The saving throw to negate the disease is usually
a Fort save (DC 10 + 1/2 infecting creature's racial HD + the
creature's Con modifier; the exact DC is given in the
creature's descriptive text). Disease can be removed through
cure disease and similar effects.
...and...
Undead are once-living creatures animated by spiritual or
supernatural forces. An undead creature has the following
features.[..snip..]
Traits: An undead creature possesses the following traits
(unless otherwise noted in a creature's entry).-- No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in
place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points,
Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on
Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon's
DC).