GM Screw up player gets punished...


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Shadow Lodge 2/5

This weekend we had a bit of a planning blunder. We had planned to run Part III of the shipyard rats but at the last minute we changed to Decline of Glory because 2 new players didn't have Part I and II of SY Rats done (and they are apparently required).

So during the last minute scenario change up we didn't check with the players and one player showed up that had already played Decline of Glory :(

We went ahead and played Decline and he used a pre-gen but since he's already played it and we had a legal table he's technically not allowed to get credit for playing the scenario. This makes me cringe because it wasn't his goof up, it was mine. We've started keeping track of which scenarios everyone has played so we don't run into this problem again but that doesn't help him this time around.

Can I go ahead and give him credit on that new player even though it wasn't to fill a legal table? My gut feeling is yes but I figured I should ask.

Dark Archive 5/5

Isn't playing it's own reward?

If you want to reward the player, buy him a drink or give him a pat on the back for taking one for the team.

My two cents:
In pathfinder you can get to 12th level, which takes you 11x3 = 33 adventures. Each play-play-play or DM 'reward' will take you closer to this 12th level, but it will lessen your chances to play the character. It's not about the goal, it's about the journey! (or at least it should be ;-) )

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Auke T wrote:

Isn't playing it's own reward?

If you want to reward the player, buy him a drink or give him a pat on the back for taking one for the team.

** spoiler omitted **

The player isn't complaining and we already thanked him. You could say the same about any session, but ultimately I would prefer he didn't lose a weeks progress because we screwed up.


Unfortunately, since he played it with a pre-gen, he is stuck with not getting to apply it to any of his characters. The only way he will be able to use that chronicle sheet at all is if he played a 1st level pre-gen and he wants to keep it as a character of his own, per the guide:

Quote:

In order to do so, however, he needs to “file off the serial

numbers” from the pregenerated character—change the
name, select two traits, choose a faction, and register the
character on paizo.com/pathfindersociety

The only other option is for him to GM the scenario, since by doing that he will be able to apply that chronicle sheet to any one of his characters that did not play through it.

Shadow Lodge 2/5

Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
Unfortunately, since he played it with a pre-gen, he is stuck with not getting to apply it to any of his characters. The only way he will be able to use that chronicle sheet at all is if he played a 1st level pre-gen and he wants to keep it as a character of his own, per the guide:

This is exactly what he was going to do if he could get credit for it, file the serial numbers off Merisiel (what a crime) and create a new character and apply the scenario to that new character.

Scarab Sages 2/5

If he made a new character with a different faction then the one he already played under using Merisiel as a base, I'd give it to him. Technically the Replay rules only apply if you needed him for a legal table, but it was a mistake, he made a pregen... I'd let him get credit for that pregen.

Scarab Sages 3/5

0gre wrote:
We've started keeping track of which scenarios everyone has played so we don't run into this problem again...

I have an Excel file I use to keep track of who's played what. The only issues I run into is when I'm on travel and others step in to DM and don't inform me of what they have played.

I have 25+ players in my local PFS chapter (from an original 10), so I find it crucial to keep track of who's played what. I certainly recommend to everyone to have some sort of chart/file to track this sort of thing.

5/5 RPG Superstar 2012 Top 4

William Sinclair wrote:

I have an Excel file I use to keep track of who's played what. The only issues I run into is when I'm on travel and others step in to DM and don't inform me of what they have played.

I have 25+ players in my local PFS chapter (from an original 10), so I find it crucial to keep track of who's played what. I certainly recommend to everyone to have some sort of chart/file to track this sort of thing.

You and I are in the same boat.

Dark Archive 4/5

We also have an excel file for everyone who has played. The problem gets to be when you have at least one table of regs that have played every game day and then random people who show up. Between everyone in my group (30+characters) everyone has at least played every low level mod, so it gets tough deciding what to offer at each game day


In the NYC pathfinder group, in addition to membership turnover, we have a lot of people who play at conventions or other venues and thus the organizers can't track every event they do. I think it's the players' responsibility to know what they've played with which characters and not muster for tables that they can't play. If I see that a given scenario is being offered next week that I can't play in with any of my PCs, I'll make plans to do something else Wednesday night, or wait in the wings to pop in with a pregen to fill a table. I don't think people should need a babysitter to monitor when they can legally play a game and when not; they just need organization and planning.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

MillerHero wrote:
William Sinclair wrote:

I have an Excel file I use to keep track of who's played what. The only issues I run into is when I'm on travel and others step in to DM and don't inform me of what they have played.

I have 25+ players in my local PFS chapter (from an original 10), so I find it crucial to keep track of who's played what. I certainly recommend to everyone to have some sort of chart/file to track this sort of thing.

You and I are in the same boat.

I might suggest you do what I do. I keep the same information, but I keep it in a Google Spreadsheet, not an Excel Spreadsheet. Then I give write permissions to the other GMs and we keep track of player information that way.

The Exchange 1/5 Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

yoda8myhead wrote:
In the NYC pathfinder group, in addition to membership turnover, we have a lot of people who play at conventions or other venues and thus the organizers can't track every event they do. I think it's the players' responsibility to know what they've played with which characters and not muster for tables that they can't play. If I see that a given scenario is being offered next week that I can't play in with any of my PCs, I'll make plans to do something else Wednesday night, or wait in the wings to pop in with a pregen to fill a table. I don't think people should need a babysitter to monitor when they can legally play a game and when not; they just need organization and planning.

Note that it was the last minute change and lack of communication that caused the issue, not a player not paying attention. So rather than send him home without a scenario, they tried to make the day happen for him anyhow. That's a good thing, not something that requires lecturing about player responsibility.

The Exchange 5/5

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
MisterSlanky wrote:
MillerHero wrote:
William Sinclair wrote:

I have an Excel file I use to keep track of who's played what. The only issues I run into is when I'm on travel and others step in to DM and don't inform me of what they have played.

I have 25+ players in my local PFS chapter (from an original 10), so I find it crucial to keep track of who's played what. I certainly recommend to everyone to have some sort of chart/file to track this sort of thing.

You and I are in the same boat.
I might suggest you do what I do. I keep the same information, but I keep it in a Google Spreadsheet, not an Excel Spreadsheet. Then I give write permissions to the other GMs and we keep track of player information that way.

Actually I do this same exact thing with our online group, but it's a google doc that is available for both players and DMs. One sheet is the Scenario's played and one is the availability chart, since we don't do a "regular" time slot and change it on a bi-weekly basis depending on when people are available.

I'll be honest though, I think I'm the only one that actually remembers to fill in the sheet with what people have played. I attempt to choose good mods for everyone, but a couple people have been turned away because I simply didn't know they had already done the mod.

Scarab Sages 3/5

yoda8myhead wrote:
I don't think people should need a babysitter to monitor when they can legally play a game and when not; they just need organization and planning.

Heh, obviously you've never met my group...

I do tell the players that it is their responsibility to make sure the game is recorded in my database, or at least in their best interest. Point was proven last week. Two players played for no credit since we didn't know they'd already played the scenario.

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