That may sound silly, but if a character is wearing armor, do they also need to wear clothing as well?
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Going off of historical reference, yes. In my games, any medium or heavy armor includes a set of quilted and leather undergarments. Generally, one would wear a tunic and breeches under that. So a character in medium or heavy armor is technically wearing three layers: the armor itself, the underleathers, and clothing. For light armors, only the undertunic and breeches are really necessary. If a character uses the "Don Hastily" method of applying armor, one of the ways it might be interpreted is that he foregos the application of the undergarments, thus leaving many of the gaps and joints of the armor exposing bare skin rather than a leather pad. This also makes the armor much more uncomfortable, explaining the increase in ACP for donning hastily as well.
Of course, the weight of the undergarments can just be included in the listed weight of the armor to prevent any unnecessary confusion, on the off chance that the exact amount of weight carried becomes an issue.
I'd go with a yes. Even today, you wear body armor over clothing of some kind (uniform, t-shirt, etc...). It helps to prevent chafing.
What I was getting at is are all those other necessary components included in the armors, foregoing the need to also buy an explorers outfit. I always assumed yes myself.
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What I was getting at is are all those other necessary components included in the armors, foregoing the need to also buy an explorers outfit. I always assumed yes myself.
Well, characters start the game with a free set of clothing anyway, so it usually doesn't matter. I would say that the armor includes the underleather padding that I mentioned, but not the tunic and breeches that are usually worn under that, no.
All characters begin play with one outfit, valued at 10gp or less. Additional outfits can be purchased normally.
That comes right from the "Clothing" section in the Equipment area of the core rules.
Well there is no reason one could not go naked under the armor padding, but talk about the armor starting to stink. Not to mention most people like to change cloths now and again. :)
While I like the concept of a chainmail bikini, I have a feeling that in practice it would sit unworn in the bottom armor drawer.
I think Rezdave pretty much hit what i was trying to get at. I look at the Explorers Outfit as the go to clothing, but I was wondering what kind of synergy it had with a suit of armor, say, studded leather or a breastplate for instance. I would think that a breast plate would not come with pants, but an explorers outfit on top of that (or below it) might be unsuitably bulky, not to mention much more heavy.
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Well there is no reason one could not go naked under the armor padding, but talk about the armor starting to stink. Not to mention most people like to change cloths now and again. :)While I like the concept of a chainmail bikini, I have a feeling that in practice it would sit unworn in the bottom armor drawer.
Having seen real chailmail bikinis, I can tell you that they do spend a lot of time unworn...
Back on topic though, I would say that clothing is worn under armor, even if it is just light clothing (just breeches and tunic).
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Well there is no reason one could not go naked under the armor padding, but talk about the armor starting to stink. Not to mention most people like to change cloths now and again. :)While I like the concept of a chainmail bikini, I have a feeling that in practice it would sit unworn in the bottom armor drawer.
Not to mention the chaffing it causes.
Also, going without any undergarments in breastplate or anything similar gives opponents attacking you a 50% miss chance because of ... visual ... you know?
Anyway, in my games, I "layer" armor.
To keep it simple, any kind of armor includes different, lighter types of armor. Full Plate can be "broken down" into half-plate, a breastplate, chainmail, a chain shirt, leather and padded armor, as all of these were at some point in history really a part of the whole "full plate" set.
This is not to say that characters get more benefit out of the armor they wear, they just have more flexibility in choosing what part to wear without having to need to buy additional sets.
Any additional rules regarding this should be quite easy to come up with. (Yeah, I just ended a sentence with a preposition. We Germans have no style. ^^)
Any additional rules regarding this should be quite easy to come up with. (Yeah, I just ended a sentence with a preposition. We Germans have no style. ^^)
Thats ok. A large amount of us Americans no longer know why ending anything in a preposition is even bad. :)
Also, NEVER wear chain mail on bare skin. At least not if you have any body hair at all. You WILL have annoyiong pain all day as hairs are torn out by the binding links ALL OVER.
Trust me.
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You get a set of clothes for free and it doesn't weigh anything while your wearing it. Why is this a question for you? I'm very curious.
Sure you can wear clothes and armour. Heck, some armour I know some DM's will let you wear under a shirt, mostly the mithril chain shirt ala Lord of the Rings style.
You get a set of clothes for free and it doesn't weigh anything while your wearing it. Why is this a question for you? I'm very curious.
Where does it say that clothes don't weigh anything?
Clothes do weigh, but I think in the Encumbrance rules, there's a line saying taht the clothes you are wearing do not count for your encumbrance.