More illusion questions silent image uses


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I have been enjoying all the illusion and silent image threads and thought up a use that I want to run by all of you before embarrassing myself

Can I cast the 10 x 10 cube/ box around my target with the inside painted like stone or metal?
At the same time the group bard ( who has the real high bluff skill) shouts " aha! Our wizard has trapped you in a metal box!

I am assuming the target would have to interact with the box to test the illusion and that this would take up an entire round of action

thus silent image can be used a one round hold, on one target or as many as you could position inside the cube, at least at low levels

am I correct?

The Exchange

That seems reasonable within the description of the spell. It would also make the target blind to anything outside of the box until it realizes it is being tricked.


Only downside would be that it lasts only as long as you can concentrate. And one whack of a war hammer to see if it can be broken will allow a save, but hey, that's how the whole illusion school works :)


That seems a perfectly acceptable use of the silent image spell.

Note that the target would not be able to see outside (although I'm not sure how the lighting conditions inside the box would be affected), and those outside would not be able to see the target inside either without making an appropriate save.

I'm not sure that the wizards party members would automatically disbelieve either, though. Illusions are powerful because they can trick the senses, even with evidence that the illusion is not real; thats the reason for the saving throw, as those with greater willpower and wisdom are more readily able to disbelieve their senses. If I were the DM, and assuming the party members know that the spell cast was an illusion (and telling them out loud that it is might tip off the bad guys!), I'd give each of the party members an immediate disbelieve save with a +4. If this were a common tactic employed repeatedly, I'd eventually give the save immediately to the party members without having to be told that its an illusion. But I would never have the party members immediately disbelieve without making a save, as it is a direct trick of their senses, and such can be hard to overcome even with evidence to the contrary.

Also, I'm not sure how PF treats a disbelieved illusion. Can one who disbelieves the illusion see through it? Can the caster of the illusion?

In any event, it would be a useful tactic for taking a combatant out of combat for a round or so.

The Exchange

Unless the illusion creator specifically stated that the inside of the box was dark, as GM I would simply state that it appears illuminated from some unknown source.

And yes, unless the illusion creator described it as "opaque from the outside" then those outside would not see the "captured" target either. They would see the box until they interact with it etc.

In my campaigns in the past the illusion caster told me outside of encounters that he was going to spend time working with the other PC's helping them understand when he was casting an illusion. Sometimes this involved him using a special code-word, other times he would create an illusion he uses frequently that they would more likely be familiar with. In any event, I alway gave the illusionists party members a free save (no interaction required) with a +4 bonus due to his efforts to make them aware of it. Usually this helped one or more of them see through the illusion right away, some of the dumber PC's still failed regularly, which added a cool "limiting" factor to the spells utility level.

And it could be a useful tactic not just for a round or so but for however long the target fails to realize it is an illusion. If it were cast on particularly low-will targets they could be in there for quite some time.

Dark Archive

Interaction doesn't take a round; just involves touching. Otherwise you're creating a no-save cantrip that removes any character of any level for a round (or several).

It's good enough already; forcing the interaction to be an action would put it "off the charts".


Thanks for the clarifications

I plan on this being a rehearsed " play" between me and the bard and that the other will know the box is an illusion by her statement
I will write the description of the illusion on a 3x5 card and hand it to the GM in case he asks ( he already requires me to have prepared cards for my summoned monsters so he does not have to look their stats up mid fight)

the description will state the illusion is " painted" on the inside and the outside of the box and that there is a faint light illuminating from a tink crack along one seem
just enough light so they can see the illusionary texture of the metal
it is painted on the outside so the targets teammates will also see the illusion

am I going too far to say that it has the appearence of adamantine
so they do not try to whack it with a weapon for fear of breaking their weapon on the adamantine?

And will I, the caster have to pass a bluff check or will the speaker, the bard have too
or should we say nothing and let the silent illusion "speak" for itself?


Peter Montgomery wrote:

And will I, the caster have to pass a bluff check or will the speaker, the bard have too

or should we say nothing and let the silent illusion "speak" for itself?

As a DM, in such a situation I would have a successful Bluff add +2 to the save DC, and a failed Bluff, -2 (perhaps more or less if the Bluff succeeds or fails by a wide margin). So if your bard's a good liar, go for it... if not, he'd best keep quiet lest he tip the baddies off: "You guys are TOTALLY surrounded by a REAL, GENUINE, adamantine cage right now, yup, not illusory at all... don't even bother to try touching it or hitting it, it's so real!"

The caster wouldn't have to bluff -- that is the spell's job and the point of the Will save.


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I was gonna say it was super nutty but that would be too cheesy

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