Fencing trait w / Rapier?


Rules Questions


"Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on attack of opportunity attack rolls made with daggers, swords, and similar bladed weapons."

Seems like rapier would fit, but does "similar bladed weapon" reference the slashing-type? Then again dagger is P/S...

I'd OK this in my game, but is it legal for society play?

Thx
Tom


tburke0 wrote:

"Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on attack of opportunity attack rolls made with daggers, swords, and similar bladed weapons."

Seems like rapier would fit, but does "similar bladed weapon" reference the slashing-type? Then again dagger is P/S...

I'd OK this in my game, but is it legal for society play?

Thx
Tom

A rapier IS a sword. It is actually the most appropriate weapon to use this trait wit has it is the classic fencing weapon. It is inconcievable to me how a rapier would not count as a 'sword' for the purposes of something called 'fencing'.


Kolokotroni wrote:
tburke0 wrote:

"Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on attack of opportunity attack rolls made with daggers, swords, and similar bladed weapons."

Seems like rapier would fit, but does "similar bladed weapon" reference the slashing-type? Then again dagger is P/S...

I'd OK this in my game, but is it legal for society play?

Thx
Tom

A rapier IS a sword. It is actually the most appropriate weapon to use this trait wit has it is the classic fencing weapon. It is inconcievable to me how a rapier would not count as a 'sword' for the purposes of something called 'fencing'.

That's probably why he's asking, as this trait not including rapiers would make no sense.

Personally, I think that they should have included 'rapier' as an example, just in case...


Here is how I would answer that question as a DM:

"Is it a weapon?"
"Is it bladed?"
"Is it similiar to a sword or dagger?"

If the answer is yes in all three cases you can use that weapon with that trait. In the case of a rapier the answer is yes in all three cases (indeed the rapier is a type of sword) so you could use it.


Rapiers are bladed weapons. They are just balanced for stabbing.


Kolokotroni wrote:
tburke0 wrote:

"Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on attack of opportunity attack rolls made with daggers, swords, and similar bladed weapons."

Seems like rapier would fit, but does "similar bladed weapon" reference the slashing-type? Then again dagger is P/S...

I'd OK this in my game, but is it legal for society play?

Thx
Tom

A rapier IS a sword. It is actually the most appropriate weapon to use this trait wit has it is the classic fencing weapon. It is inconcievable to me how a rapier would not count as a 'sword' for the purposes of something called 'fencing'.

This. As soon as I saw the title of the post, I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".


MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".

Chain-link? ;)


Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)

Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.


MultiClassClown wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)
Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.

*listens to the sound of something whooshing over MultiClassClown's head*

Chain-link was a word association reference to fencing, not rapier. :)


Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)
Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.

*listens to the sound of something whooshing over MultiClassClown's head*

Chain-link was a word association reference to fencing, not rapier. :)

Picket!


Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)
Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.

*listens to the sound of something whooshing over MultiClassClown's head*

Chain-link was a word association reference to fencing, not rapier. :)

Yeah, I got it. The comment was intentionally obtuse. Sorry, was my tongue not visible in my cheek?


Charender wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)
Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.

*listens to the sound of something whooshing over MultiClassClown's head*

Chain-link was a word association reference to fencing, not rapier. :)

Picket!

Charge!


MultiClassClown wrote:
Charender wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
MultiClassClown wrote:


I was curious, because in my mind when you play word association, and someone says "Fencing", the first word to come to mind IS "Rapier".
Chain-link? ;)
Nah, chain-link doesn't make me think of rapiers, it more brings to mind armor.

*listens to the sound of something whooshing over MultiClassClown's head*

Chain-link was a word association reference to fencing, not rapier. :)

Picket!
Charge!

Compound interest :(


Kolokotroni wrote:


A rapier IS a sword. It is actually the most appropriate weapon to use this trait wit has it is the classic fencing weapon. It is inconcievable to me how a rapier would not count as a 'sword' for the purposes of something called 'fencing'.

That's what I thought too, then I had this whole conversation with myself about Piercing vs Slashing and "similar" bladed weapons...

Cartigan wrote:


Rapiers are bladed weapons. They are just balanced for stabbing.

Rapiers I've seen IRL have been pointed but not edged, but I guess those were, in fact, foils?

MultiClassClown wrote:

Charge!

Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!!

(It's actually a buck and a quarter staff, but don't tell him that...)


tburke0 wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:


A rapier IS a sword. It is actually the most appropriate weapon to use this trait wit has it is the classic fencing weapon. It is inconcievable to me how a rapier would not count as a 'sword' for the purposes of something called 'fencing'.

That's what I thought too, then I had this whole conversation with myself about Piercing vs Slashing and "similar" bladed weapons...

Cartigan wrote:


Rapiers are bladed weapons. They are just balanced for stabbing.

Rapiers I've seen IRL have been pointed but not edged, but I guess those were, in fact, foils?

MultiClassClown wrote:

Charge!

Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!!

(It's actually a buck and a quarter staff, but don't tell him that...)

Yoiks and away!


tburke0 wrote:


Rapiers I've seen IRL have been pointed but not edged, but I guess those were, in fact, foils?

Rapiers may or may not have sharpened edges, but they do have them despite not being slicing weapons.


tburke0 wrote:


That's what I thought too, then I had this whole conversation with myself about Piercing vs Slashing and "similar" bladed weapons...

I see what you are saying but i think you are overthinking it.

Wikipedia wrote:


The word "rapier" generally refers to a relatively long-bladed sword characterized by a complex hilt which is constructed to provide protection for the hand wielding it...

Sometimes its best to just use the english language, the designers certainly do, because if they literally spelled everything out directly we wouldnt be able to physically carry the rulebooks.

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