Learning Spells from Scrolls of Higher Level


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Liberty's Edge

According to the rules for adding spells to spellbooks(wizards) and familiars(witches), the normal 2 spells learned at each level cannot come from any spell level the character can't access. However, the rules for copying spells from one spellbook to another don't specify a level requirement to learn the spell, though you can't cast it.

If that's the case, can a character with a sufficiently high spellcraft attempt to add spells above their maximum spell level to their familiar or spellbook? IE if they got temporary access to a spellbook or library with a significant amount of magical lore beyond their ken, could they scribble as much down as possible and then slowly gain access as they unlocked those spell levels? At the moment that's what the rules text on the adding to familiar (APH 43) and spellbook (PCR 219) rules seems to indicate.

Dark Archive

I'd allow it, but possibly with a hidden roll to see if they made a mistake scribing the spell...which could lead to consequences first time the caster tried to use the spell...

Liberty's Edge

Yeah. In a houseruled game this is no problem, but I am looking for a RAW interperetation so I have a jumping off point. I mean, this doesn't seem like a really imbalanced option until you start looking at the possibilities of a wizard or witch hitting up a library just prior to each spell level. Especially a witch who manages to steal a few dozen high level scrolls.

Then again, the difference between that and them hitting the same library 2 weeks later tends to be a matter of the campaign/scenario being played rather than a purist balancing thing.


Hello, looks ok to me, haven't ever red something against that.
You can understand magical writings from scrolls (and books) of higher levels than you can cast, that's clear, and I don't see any rule that prevents you from casting the spell from a scroll or copying it into your book.
You have the pay the writing costs, if you have enough money to spend on something you can't use until some levels in the future, but that's all, imo.

Sovereign Court

Why not? You can attempt to cast a spell from a scroll of a higher level so I don't see any reason not to allow people to pay the cost and put higher level spells into their spell book.

Not like it unbalances the game somehow. Not against the rules either, just a higher DC.


Quelian wrote:
If that's the case, can a character with a sufficiently high spellcraft attempt to add spells above their maximum spell level to their familiar or spellbook?

1. Decipher it (spellcraft dc 20 + spell level or read magic)

2. Understand it (spellcraft DC 15 + spell level to understand it, can take 10)
3. Write it (pay the money)

That's about it. Really, this process shouldn't be considered difficult. Spells are the basis of the wizard class. If you pay the money, aren't being distracted, and have the time to write the spells in the book, there shouldn't be more challenge than that.


Theres nothing in the rules that says you can only learn spells and add them to your spellbookc so long as you are of a high enough level to cast them. Thus, strictly going by the rules it appears to be OK.

From a balance perspective, I see nothing wrong with this. Its not like it does the wizard any good or benefits him in any way. He still can't cast the spell until he gets to the appropriate level.

One benefit would be that once he gets to a level where he can cast such a pre-learned spell, he would have access to it immediately, instead of having to take time then and there to learn it, which sometimes isn't possible (say he levels up in the middle of a dungeon). This is counterbalanced by the wizard having spent resources to learn the spell earlier when a) his limited resources are now tied up in something he can't make use of for a while, and b) the resources he used at the time of learning the spell represented a greater percentage of his total resources at the lower level than they do at the level he can cast the spell. So I would think that any benefit to having learned a higher level spell earlier is going to be outweighed by not having access to these resources for some time.

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