Say you're a sorcerer with two-weapon fighting and the abyssal bloodline. Can you dual-wield and attack with your weapons, then use a free action to drop your weapons and attack with your claws as secondary natural attacks in your routine (four attacks)?
What if you have Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting, two-hand your first attack, left one hand go to off-hand with it for your second attack, then drop the weapon to continue attacking with your two claws?
While we're at it, replace this sorcerer with a thri-kreen. With Oversized TWF, can the thri-kreen dual-wield longswords with two hands on each to keep the x1.5 strength modifier while still running with only -2/-2? Or to combine the above, dual attack with the two longswords, release a hand on each to get two one-handed off-hand sword swings, and drop them both for four claw attacks.
Sorry, no as per RAW (Core p.182): You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and
unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword.
Would be good, except natural attacks don't work in conjunction with flurry of blows.
But yeh, thri-kreen rogue = death of a thousand cuts. Especially if you can pounce. heh, good times :)
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Interestingly enough, I wasn't thinking of using FOB with the thrikeen. Just the monk bonus to unarmed damage, extra attacks, and no particular *hand* wielding a weapon to rule out the natural attacks.
Mmm.. just want to see how this would stack up. 15th lvl monk, 15 point buy.
Str 18
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 14
Cha 7
17/17/12/12/7/7 dealing 2d6 +4
total damage:
12d6 +24
Min of 36 Max of 96
Since I can't think of any feats that provide extra attacks to the monks FOB, I'll just leave it there for folks to pick over
Thri-keen would be... what, savage species?
The LA there is 3+ for the one without psionics
So Monk 12 Thri-kreen would have
+2 bab
4 claw attacks and bite
+4 str +2 dex -4 cha +2 wis making stats
str 22
dex 12
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 16
Cha 3
Wow. Ugly.
Feats - lots with the multi limbs
Multi-attack knocks the -5 to -2
Improved multi-attack removes the penalty entirely.
actually, I think that's all I see for the thri-kreen, since I don't think the multi-weapon fighting applies here :)
So that sets us at
+17/+12 regular attack chain and I'm not entirely sure if the natural attacks would now be:
+17/+17/+17/+17/+17 or
+12/+12/+12/+12/+12.
that also begs the question of whether the thri-kreen uses the monk damage or standard listed damage for natural attacks. I'd expect it to be the standard listed.
So +17(2d6+6) +12(2d6+6)
+17(1d4+3)/+17(1d4+3)/+17(1d4+3)/+17(1d4+3)/+17(1d4+3+ poison)
Total damage: 4d6+5d4+27+poison
Min of 36 max of 71 + poison
Of course, I could be way off here. But it was fun enough to kill a few minutes :)
Curious as to what everyone else thinks :D
Be aware that Savage Species is v3.0, XPH is more in line.
Isn't 'unarmed damage' different to 'natural attack' damage?
You'd have 5 attacks (4 claws, 1 bite)
Multi-Attack's good, where's Imp. Multi Attack?
You'd want Imp. Natural Attack, if you don't ignore the errata about unarmed strikes and natural attacks, i prob. wouldn't bother with monk - maybe 1 lvl, at most?
I'd still go Barbarian 1 (for pounce)/Swordsage (ToB)2 (Wis bns to AC and Assassin's Stance & Sudden Leap)/Rogue X
Surprise round: Charge (jumping over difficult terrain) 5 sneak attacks
1st rnd: full attack and jump back 10 ft. as a swift action (Sudden Leap).
2nd rnd: full attack w/flank if they've moved next to you, charge and full attack again to finish them off.
By 2nd rnd you've potentially pulled off 15 sneak attacks and poison 3 times.
This works well with a Neraph (Planar Handbook) as well.