Iammars
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Scenario 1: I'm a sorcerer and I ready an action to counterspell the enemy spellcaster. When he casts a spell, I use Spellcraft and find out that I don't have that spell known. Can I still use Dispel Magic to counter it if I've already made the Spellcraft check?
Scenario 2: Same as above, but I failed the Spellcraft check.
Osprey71
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Scenario 1: I'm a sorcerer and I ready an action to counterspell the enemy spellcaster. When he casts a spell, I use Spellcraft and find out that I don't have that spell known. Can I still use Dispel Magic to counter it if I've already made the Spellcraft check?
Scenario 2: Same as above, but I failed the Spellcraft check.
Scenario 1: Yes, you can use Dispel Magic to counter.
Scenario 2: Yes... I think. There is tricky and conflicting information.
Under counterspell it says "If the check succeeds, you correctly identify the opponent's spell and can attempt to counter it. If the check fails, you can't do either of these things."
I think this is referring specifically to trying to counter a spell with the same or opposing spell since immediately below under Dispel Magic as a Counterspell is says "You can usually use dispel magic to counterspell another spell being cast without needing to identify the spell being cast."
Since it doesn't need to be identified I would think you could attempt to use Dispel Magic still, under the readied action for counterspell even if the check failed.
Counterspell is rarely used in our games and hard to pull off, I wouldn't punish someone from trying Dispel just because they failed a check. I would hope that is the intention.
| FallingIcicle |
Scenario 1: I'm a sorcerer and I ready an action to counterspell the enemy spellcaster. When he casts a spell, I use Spellcraft and find out that I don't have that spell known. Can I still use Dispel Magic to counter it if I've already made the Spellcraft check?
Scenario 2: Same as above, but I failed the Spellcraft check.
Yes and yes.
"You can usually use dispel magic to counterspell another spell being cast without needing to identify the spell being cast." p. 208