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I was so interested in play ing a dervish of Sarenrae; but, except for brief mentions in Legacy of Fire, Katapesh, and Citadel of Flame, I cna find no reference to them.
I'd love for a Prestige class for them to be presented, but since they don't exist right now...
How would you build them? A dex heavy cleric/ rogue? A paladin? Any ideas?
In Wayfinder #1, there was a prestige class called Dawnflower Dervish of Sarenrae. It's 3.5, but the conversion shouldn't be too hard.
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I have a PC in my game right now that's doing pretty awesome as a Dervish. We're in the Impossible Eye at the moment and he's a Human Paladin 8 (Sarenrae)/Duelist 2. Took the feat that let's you use Dexterity for attack and damage rolls. No strength to speak of, just a high Dex/Charisma. With the duelist abilities and a decent int, it gives him the second highest AC in the party and a decent attack (which gets even crazier when he smites).
Pretty effective overall I'd say. :)
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1) It's pronounced SAIR-en-ray. Rhymes with FAIR-in-ray. Grrrr... :P
2) The Qadira Companion has a pretty nifty feat that lets Sarenrae worshipers use scimitars as light weapons, which makes the duelist class a pretty good option for Sarenite dervishes. We haven't yet done an official Sarenrae-flavored dervish prestige class, but the class in Wayfinder #1's pretty nifty...
I was so interested in play ing a dervish of Sarenrae; but, except for brief mentions in Legacy of Fire, Katapesh, and Citadel of Flame, I cna find no reference to them.
I'd love for a Prestige class for them to be presented, but since they don't exist right now...
How would you build them? A dex heavy cleric/ rogue? A paladin? Any ideas?
Qadira, Gateway to the East lists the feat Dervish Dance [Combat].
Dervish Dance [Combat]
You have learned to turn your speed into power, even with a heavier blade.
Prerequisites: Dexterity 13, Weapon Finesse, Perform (dance) 2 ranks, proficient with scimitar.
Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist's precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.
So by that reading, with this feat, I'd say a cleric/duelist would work as a dervish of Sarenrae. The entry for Dervishes of Sarenrae on the page opposite says they're drawn equally from the ranks of clerics, fighters, paladins, and ranger.
As for the "legality" of the feat in PRPG, Qadira, Gateway to the East is actually the first Pathfinder RPG release, even preceding the Pathfinder Core Rulebook. It bears the Pathfinder: Roleplaying Game logo on the back cover.
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Well, I have the book anyway so no biggie if you have to take down the feat. I hadn't noticed it before, BTW.
I can't use the prestige class because I want to make the character for PFS play. I'll check my copy of the PFS guide to see if the feat is legal.
Thanks all.
And I do hope Paizo can make the prestige class soon. :) Or just adapt the Dawnflower PC to PF and make it offical. IF the author is agreeable. :)
attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that
What? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
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attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
I guess the author of that feat thinks differently. Not sure why they put the "piercing" bit in there at all, honestly. I would not have done so, were I writing or developing the feat.
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attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
oh no... this makes perfect sense! You whirl around and slash your opponents in a frenzied dance... makes PERFECT sense to use Piercing weapons!
can you sense the sarcasm?
I have a great special ability that every Dervish of Sarenrae MUST have. You weave and dance around your opponent while trailing a veil or cloak behind you. As you circle your foe the veil entangles them, effectively immobilizing them until they make a successful Escape Artist check. I call this ability... Saren-Wrap!
What ya think James, will that make it to the official Dervish of Saranwrap... I mean Sarenrae? ;-)
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I think the feat is being a bit misinterpreted. The scimitar remains a slashing weapon. The bit is: "You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist's precise strike ability)."
It's not saying you treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon, period. Just for the purposes of feats and class abilities that require such a weapon. It's basically saying "your scimitar is still a slashing weapon, but if an ability requires a one-handed piercing weapon, like Precise Strike, you can use your scimitar".
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I think the feat is being a bit misinterpreted. The scimitar remains a slashing weapon. The bit is: "You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist's precise strike ability)."
It's not saying you treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon, period. Just for the purposes of feats and class abilities that require such a weapon. It's basically saying "your scimitar is still a slashing weapon, but if an ability requires a one-handed piercing weapon, like Precise Strike, you can use your scimitar".
Yeah I can go with that... but does this mean you can put a shish-ka-bob on a scimitar now? That would be wicked cool! :)
attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
oh no... this makes perfect sense! You whirl around and slash your opponents in a frenzied dance... makes PERFECT sense to use Piercing weapons!
can you sense the sarcasm?
I have a great special ability that every Dervish of Sarenrae MUST have. You weave and dance around your opponent while trailing a veil or cloak behind you. As you circle your foe the veil entangles them, effectively immobilizing them until they make a successful Escape Artist check. I call this ability... Saren-Wrap!
so that they could gain thier duelist powers with a scimitar. why else? oh yeah, so that they can put shish kabobs on thier scimitars too.
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attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
oh no... this makes perfect sense! You whirl around and slash your opponents in a frenzied dance... makes PERFECT sense to use Piercing weapons!
can you sense the sarcasm?
I have a great special ability that every Dervish of Sarenrae MUST have. You weave and dance around your opponent while trailing a veil or cloak behind you. As you circle your foe the veil entangles them, effectively immobilizing them until they make a successful Escape Artist check. I call this ability... Saren-Wrap!
What ya think James, will that make it to the official Dervish of Saranwrap... I mean Sarenrae? ;-)
Nope. Plus, you're a dwarf. All I can hear when you talk is "BEER! BEARD! BEER! BEARD! BEEEELLLLCH!" And then the smell of feet fills the room.
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Nope. Plus, you're a dwarf. All I can hear when you talk is "BEER! BEARD! BEER! BEARD! BEEEELLLLCH!" And then the smell of feet fills the room.attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
oh no... this makes perfect sense! You whirl around and slash your opponents in a frenzied dance... makes PERFECT sense to use Piercing weapons!
can you sense the sarcasm?
I have a great special ability that every Dervish of Sarenrae MUST have. You weave and dance around your opponent while trailing a veil or cloak behind you. As you circle your foe the veil entangles them, effectively immobilizing them until they make a successful Escape Artist check. I call this ability... Saren-Wrap!
What ya think James, will that make it to the official Dervish of Saranwrap... I mean Sarenrae? ;-)
Dude you say that like it is a BAD thing!
(seriously laughed my a$$ off when I read that!)
"BEER! BEARD! BEER! BEARD!"
Say that five times fast.
Thanks for reminding me of that feat..I'll use a variant of it for Aldori swordsmen..maybe replacing the perform dance with acrobatics..or maybe just rewrite the duelling sword to count a piercing weapon for duellist capabilities.
attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities thatWhat? I thought dervishes 'whirled around' in combat. Wouldn't the scimitars still be Slashing weapons?
The scimitar is STILL a slashing weapon. You just treat it as a piercing weapon for qualifying for classes and feats that require a piercing weapon, like a duelist. The Precise Strike class ability specifies that Precise Strike works with a piercing weapon.
What this feat does is allow you to treat the scimitar as a piercing weapon for purposes of using the class ability. It does not mean the scimitar is a piercing weapon or does piercing damage. It just means you could get the extra damage from Precise Strike with it even though it isn't actually a piercing weapon.
I think the feat is being a bit misinterpreted. The scimitar remains a slashing weapon. The bit is: "You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist's precise strike ability)."
It's not saying you treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon, period. Just for the purposes of feats and class abilities that require such a weapon. It's basically saying "your scimitar is still a slashing weapon, but if an ability requires a one-handed piercing weapon, like Precise Strike, you can use your scimitar".
Doh!
Saw you explained it already between the other stuff.
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Thanks again for all the help. Here is my level 1 PFS dervish.
No Name Yet
Priest of Sarenrae
Quadira Faction
Str 12 +1
Dex 16 +3
Con 10 0
Int 13 +1
Wis 14 +2
Cha 14 +2
Diplomacy 6
Heal 6
Know(Planes) 5
Know(Religion) 5
*Perform(Dance) 3
*not class skill
Traits: Flame of the Dawn Flower, Dervish
Feats: Alignment Channel (evil), Extra Channeling
Domains: Fire/Sun
I plan to take a couple of levels of Fighter to get the BAB and extra feats I need. Then possibly go Duelist.
I think the feat is being a bit misinterpreted. The scimitar remains a slashing weapon. The bit is: "You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist's precise strike ability)."
It's not saying you treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon, period. Just for the purposes of feats and class abilities that require such a weapon. It's basically saying "your scimitar is still a slashing weapon, but if an ability requires a one-handed piercing weapon, like Precise Strike, you can use your scimitar".
Ah, that clearly answers the question, thank you.
Though it begs another question, namely why somebody thought this made sense. I mean, precise striking while spinning around with a scimitar? <boggle>. Though the feat otherwise isn't bad; getting +DEX bonus to damage instead of STR is gravy for a Weapon Finesse fighter, though only single handed/no shield or off hand weapon takes out some of its bite.
Though I think a real dervish would be going for Whirlwind Attack ASAP.
I played a dervish in our RotRL campaign until the GM killed him and the campaign.
I started with six levels of Paladin (and the Dervish Dance feat) and then went into the duellist PrC.
It worked surprisingly well. The combination of smite and precise strike means you'll deal decent damage - not as much as a falchion-wielding paladin going for strength, but nice enough. You do get a well-rounded defensive to compensate for the slightly decreased damage potential.
In fact, my GM was periodically throwing hissy fits about the damage output :D (I think he just needs to be shown what sort of damage a Pathfinder mêlée warrior is capable of.)