When I'm using Spirited Charge and charging with a lance, I assume I deal triple damage both with the dice I'm rolling and with my Strength bonus, right? Or am I off-base with that?
What about when I'm using Power Attack, is my Power Attack damage also tripled?
What about if I critically hit? Do I triple the tripled damage, or do I triple the original damage twice (ie. five times the damage)?
I have a character for a pit battle who has a 26 Str (+8 modifier) and BAB +12 (-4 PA), and I'm wondering if my charge is capable of dealing 3d8+36 normally, 3d8+72 with Power Attack, and 9d8+216 on a critical hit with Power Attack?
Thanks!
Doubling/tripling damage works the same as a crit.
Multipliers are additive so a triple triple is x5.
If I was ruling it I don't think I'd let you use a lance two-handed on a mounted charge simply because of how awkward it would be. That said, I don't think there's anything RAW against it so theoretically you'd get 3d8 + 36 normally + 72 with power attack and 5d8 + 120 on a power attack crit.
If you use it one handed you're still talking 3d8 + 24 normal, +48 on a power attack and 5d8 + 80 on a power attack crit.
That's what I figured! Thanks!
As far as the lance two-handed, as far as I can tell by being a serious rules lawyer, the fact that the lance is a two-handed weapon is enough to give you 1.5 times your Strength. It says in the "two-handed weapons" section of the rules (CR.141) that you apply 1.5 your Str score to damage dealt by such weapons, and ALSO says in the "one-handed weapons" section on the same page that a one-handed weapon wielded in both hands does the same thing. The lance has a special exception clause that lets you wield it one-handed when mounted, but it's still a two-handed weapon, so RAW it should still deal 1.5 x Str regardless of how you wield it.
I'm pretty sure, anyway.
Either way, thanks for the help!
redcapscorner wrote: That's what I figured! Thanks!
As far as the lance two-handed, as far as I can tell by being a serious rules lawyer, the fact that the lance is a two-handed weapon is enough to give you 1.5 times your Strength. It says in the "two-handed weapons" section of the rules (CR.141) that you apply 1.5 your Str score to damage dealt by such weapons, and ALSO says in the "one-handed weapons" section on the same page that a one-handed weapon wielded in both hands does the same thing. The lance has a special exception clause that lets you wield it one-handed when mounted, but it's still a two-handed weapon, so RAW it should still deal 1.5 x Str regardless of how you wield it.
I'm pretty sure, anyway.
Either way, thanks for the help!
Actually that's not correct. Any weapon that can be wielded either two handed or single handed adds 1 x strength when held in one hand or 1.5 x strength when held in two hands. The extra strength comes from getting two hands behind the swing.
Following your logic, a one handed weapon wielded in two hands would only give a 1x strength bonus since it's still a one handed weapon. This is incorrect.
Well, I believed a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands received 1.5x your Str bonus because it specifically says in the one-handed weapon rules that that's what a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands gets, AS WELL as also stating in the two-handed rules that a two-handed weapon receives that benefit regardless. I don't know. Read over page 141 under both those two sections. It seems to me that, as written, that's how things work. I'm sure that wasn't intent, but that seems to be what's written. Either way, under your interpretation of the rules and mine, there's a way to get the two-handed damage bonus with a lance, so I'm not too worried about it.
Here's another question, though: Does damage from smite and/or sneak attack double or triple on critical hits or with Spirited Charge also?
A Lance deals 1.5 str damage even when wielded one handed on a mount. It's special that way.
If you normally do 1d8+12, on a charge it's 3d8+36. With power attack (BAB 12) it's 1d8+24, or 3d8+72 on the charge. A Critical while charging would be x5!!!
--Vrocket Man!
TLO3 wrote:
Actually that's not correct. Any weapon that can be wielded either two handed or single handed adds 1 x strength when held in one hand or 1.5 x strength when held in two hands. The extra strength comes from getting two hands behind the swing.
Following your logic, a one handed weapon wielded in two hands would only give a 1x strength bonus since it's still a one handed weapon. This is incorrect.
You are incorrect here.
There is a special exception for one handed weapons being wielded in two hands to get 1.5x STR. You could wield a light weapon in two hands without getting this benefit.
It is the classification of the weapon that matters here.
ALL 2 handed weapons get 1.5x STR.
A lance is a 2 handed weapon and thus gets 1.5xSTR.
This is something that's been gone over many times in 3.5 threads, and is quite technically correct.
-James
Wow. My bad then.
Good to know then for my upcoming cavalier. Sorry for handing out bad data on that one. That's such a counter-intuitive rule.
So, does the Paladin-Smite damage get multiplied as well? Can I kill big demons with over 200 hp with a single charge? (This is actually not that overpowered, Wizards and Clerics do it all the time it appears ;-) )
feaynnewedd wrote: So, does the Paladin-Smite damage get multiplied as well? Can I kill big demons with over 200 hp with a single charge? (This is actually not that overpowered, Wizards and Clerics do it all the time it appears ;-) ) Smite YES
Sneak NO
And it's not so easy. Consider: You have to roll a crit :-)
TLO3 wrote:
Actually that's not correct. Any weapon that can be wielded either two handed or single handed adds 1 x strength when held in one hand or 1.5 x strength when held in two hands. The extra strength comes from getting two hands behind the swing.
Following your logic, a one handed weapon wielded in two hands would only give a 1x strength bonus since it's still a one handed weapon. This is incorrect.
Not quite there yet: Light weapons may not be used two handedly to get the extra damage bonus. Only one handed and two handed weapons can be used in such a fashion (and not ranged weapons either).
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