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Ok, since I much rather the Paizo community come up with ideas for me. . .I have the pcs doing a quest for a lich that they do not know is a lich. They are staying in the creatures manor. Where I need help is, what are some subtle and maybe even not so subtle ways that the pcs could come around to the true identity of their host?

Any help would be great.

Scarab Sages

The most obvious is perhaps if they notice that their employeer never eats or sleeps. If he does eat (to fool his guests), maybe he does something unbelievable (to hot/spicy food without any signs of distress, combination of very odd tastes, - he hasn't eaten for maybe centuries so he simply doesn't remember correctly).

Grand Lodge

He never makes physical contact with the PCs. He has bearly perceptable aura of cold around him.

On the note of food, he can seem to eat anything and not get sick. He is immune to poisoning. Perhaps an NPC tried to pioson him in the presence of the PCs and nothing seems to happen to him, but others die.

He is damage resistant too. Perhaps he is attacked by something and while he should be savaged, he is unhurt.

Animals might recoil from him.

Silver Crusade

Maybe a carriage could go out of control at one of the female PCS, and he moves with incredible speed, sticking out a hand and stopping it, leaving a huge broken piece of wood on the door... oh wait. That is for another undead :)

Perhaps some paintings that show very old style clothing from a long time ago, that he is in, and looks exactly the same. (Maybe they are even hidden in an unused room).

How about getting cut from something and he quickly grabs a cloth or something to cover the wound, and the PC find it later with no blood.

If there are any animal companion, they freak out... He also feeaks out the horses in the stable.

He has a perfect face. No blemish, birthmarks, scars, perfect teeth, hair is ALWAYS groomed perfectly, and doesen't move in teh wind.


noretoc wrote:
Perhaps some paintings that show very old style clothing from a long time ago, that he is in, and looks exactly the same. (Maybe they are even hidden in an unused room).

Going along with that, there could be a painting "line of ancestors" on a wall somewhere, that stops a couple hundred years ago. If asked, "they stopped commissioning them then", but a very high perception check might note the fading is slightly different at a spot where the next would be (and they may find one of him in a off-limits room).


noretoc wrote:

Maybe a carriage could go out of control at one of the female PCS, and he moves with incredible speed, sticking out a hand and stopping it, leaving a huge broken piece of wood on the door... oh wait. That is for another undead :)

Now now, that's not undead...that's a Marysue Glitterfairy.

Seriously, though, I like the idea of a strange dinner party, with things that should not be eaten together. It also opens up the possibility of great roleplaying.

Scarab Sages

Your ordinary Lich is a very smart creature - how about combinig the no food / strange food.
Get your players on the trail of their host seemingly not eating. once they are on, he discovers their suspicion and throws a dinner that is...somehow wrong. If done right that might scare the heck out of your players.


feytharn wrote:

Your ordinary Lich is a very smart creature - how about combinig the no food / strange food.

Get your players on the trail of their host seemingly not eating. once they are on, he discovers their suspicion and throws a dinner that is...somehow wrong. If done right that might scare the heck out of your players.

I like that!


Anything else?

Dark Archive

gigglestick wrote:
feytharn wrote:

Your ordinary Lich is a very smart creature - how about combinig the no food / strange food.

Get your players on the trail of their host seemingly not eating. once they are on, he discovers their suspicion and throws a dinner that is...somehow wrong. If done right that might scare the heck out of your players.
I like that!

+1 on this idea.

The idea of animal companions or familiars being able to sense something wrong also works.

Any character with the scent SQ might also get a whiff of something out of place.

Perhaps a shrine to a death aspected deity hidden somewhere out of the way.

One step further and have a family crypt that's got a name scratched out for the lich.


He may be out of touch with modern times, and in casual conversation refer to people he knows, but who are long dead. Use old-fashioned words in his language, etc.

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