Natural Attack Flurry of Blows feat

[Goblins Eighty-Five]

I have a player who is playing a Darfellan (Stormwrack) and he would like to use his bite attack alongside his flurry of blows. I was thinking of allowing this with a feat, but am unsure of what the prerequisites would be, how it would work, and what it would be called. Ideas?

[spalding]

Natural Flurry:
Prerequisites: Flurry of blows, Natural attack, weapon focus with a natural weapon
Benefit: When making a flurry of blows you may choose one natural weapon (which you have weapon focus in) and make an attack with it as well. The extra attack is the same as if making a natural attack while fighting with weapons.

Improved Natural Flurry:
Prerequisites: Flurry of Blows, Natural attacks, Multiattack, Weapon Focus(with the natural weapon)
Benefit: When making a flurry of blows you may also attack with all your natural weapons that you have weapon focus with as if making a natural attack while fighting with weapons.

Just my thoughts on it. Cheers!

[wraithstrike]

Goblins Eighty-Five wrote:

I have a player who is playing a Darfellan (Stormwrack) and he would like to use his bite attack alongside his flurry of blows. I was thinking of allowing this with a feat, but am unsure of what the prerequisites would be, how it would work, and what it would be called. Ideas?

Other classes can make a full attack action and use their natural weapon at a -5 penalty. I see no reason why a monk can't do the same.

[Goblins Eighty-Five]

wraithstrike wrote:

Other classes can make a full attack action and use their natural weapon at a -5 penalty. I see no reason why a monk can't do the same.

I think it has something to do with how natural attacks work in conjunction with two-weapon fighting; since that is what flurry of blows is supposed to be.

[Kolokotroni]

Goblins Eighty-Five wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

Other classes can make a full attack action and use their natural weapon at a -5 penalty. I see no reason why a monk can't do the same.

I think it has something to do with how natural attacks work in conjunction with two-weapon fighting; since that is what flurry of blows is supposed to be.

"You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. In addition, all of your attacks made with melee weapons and unarmed strikes are made as if you were two-weapon fighting. Your natural attacks are treated as light, off-hand weapons for determining the penalty to your other attacks. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties."

"Flurry of Blows (Ex): Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat). "

So bascially as long as the flurry is not using a headbutt, you can use a bite along side a flurry of blows. It is considered a secondary natural attack and is thus at -5 BAB, and half strength.

[Goblins Eighty-Five]

"A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks."

That is where this is coming from.

[Caedwyr]

Goblins Eighty-Five wrote:

I have a player who is playing a Darfellan (Stormwrack) and he would like to use his bite attack alongside his flurry of blows. I was thinking of allowing this with a feat, but am unsure of what the prerequisites would be, how it would work, and what it would be called. Ideas?

A modification I've been meaning to try out for Flurry of Blows is the following:

Modified Flurry of Blows wrote:

Flurry of Blows (Ex): Starting at 1st level, a monk can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action. When doing so he may make one additional attack using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham) as if using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat). For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.

At 8th level, the monk can make two additional attacks when he uses flurry of blows, as if using Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).

At 15th level, the monk can make three additional attacks using flurry of blows, as if using Greater Two-Weapon Fighting (even if the monk does not meet the prerequisites for the feat).

A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows unless the weapon has the Ki-Focus enhancement and the monk has taken the Weapon Focus feat in the chosen weapon's type. A monk with natural weapons cannot make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.

The bolded text changed material. This would allow a monk with a amulet of mighty blows (Ki Focus) and Weapon Focus (specific natural weapon) to use their natural weapon in a flurry of blows.

[wraithstrike]

Goblins Eighty-Five wrote:

"A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks."

That is where this is coming from.

I knew about the rule. I just don't agree with it. Monks need all the help they can get.

[Felgoroth]

At the same time I understand why they're not allowed to use their natural attacks (because they could be using that part of their body to make an unarmed strike) I think their should be a feat to allow them to do it at the normal -5 or a change in the rule that lets them do it at a -7 (-5 for it being a natural attack and -2 from the using flurry of blows).

[Majuba]

One other issue complicating allowing this is that they probably should not get the monk's improved base attack bonus (monk level + racial/other classes BAB) when they use it, in addition to -2 for flurry penalty, and -5 for secondary natural attack.

You might make the suggestion that he *can* make an unarmed strike (including a Stunning Fist), and bite (or claw and all) in addition to that at -5, instead of flurrying.