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Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

Sherren frowns upon hearing the whole of Elan's speech, even as she finishes up packing things into her magic bag/sack. Padding quickly over to Talwyn, she waits until Elan's magic has helped the small fey, a slight look of concern upon her Elvish features.

"Glad I am you are now much recovered, Talwyn." She smiles in way of comforting him. The she again looks to Elan,

"You comment about our 'creation..." She frowns again, "There really must be a better way of saying that..." She muses "Our father spent much time communing with us as we slept within our shells. I'm sure the people's of whom we can take our mundane forms would agree to our fathers task. I feel that our essence is more than just a mixing of spirit." She stands tall as she speaks, not daunted by the difference between her six foot frame and the creature that towers five times her size.

She turns to Zarroshduvar, "Um, you say this magic ring is now stuck to you?" She asks, puzzled indicating this 'special' magic ring the DM has indicated. Seeing her brother nod she frowns, brows knit close in thought. After a short while she smiles, a thin, calculating lie upon her face. "A pity, here, I have an idea about how best to use such a device." So saying she closes her eyes and concentrates...


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

Relaxing into her Dragon form, Sherren takes a moment to flex and settle then turns to a now much larger Ungorralin.

"Here, now I have an idea that you can help me with my tail." She grins, something that this time has fangs, as she turns 'tail' on to her Half-ling sized brother.

Sherren calms herself as much as she can, settling her scales as flat as possible. "Take my ring and slide it up my tail as far as it will go. Or dos any one think this perhaps not such a good idea? An item that can only go on once, I would not want any where that will eventually get in the way." She pauses again in thought. "Though, perhaps a toe claw might suffice..."

SO! There you go. I want to wear this magical ring upon my tail, that way any 'normal' rings won't look/seem out of place. (^_^)


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

A couple of options when you see something you want in the pot, yet don't have the $:

1. Borrow from a friend.

1. Sell some of your old stuff.

3. Use some of the gold you get from other items to pay for the one you want.

4. Claim the item and pay for it later.

5. Watch said item being claim by someone else and curse yourself for not saving. :p

Here are the loot list again, with corresponding MARKET prices:

- Greatsword +2 (8,350 gp)
- Cloak resistance +2 (4,000 gp)
- Potions Cure Serious Wounds (750 gp) x 2 = (1,500 gp)
- Chain shirt (100 gp)
- Longbow (mighty strength pull+9) (1,000 gp)
- 20 arrows (1 gp)

Grand Total: 14,951 gp

The Pot: 7,475.50 gp

Gold/PC: 1,245.92 gp

What does everyone think? My group and I have used this system forever and it is the fairest one we have found. Everyone consistently gets a share of gold after every battle and enjoys buying everything in half price. Win win imho.


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

Hahaha! If I can go back in time, I would totally make this item into Zarrosh's nose ring! Adds to the whole intimidating barbarian look.


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

"I still think we should start with the elves!" Zarrosh exclaims, "They put this curse on us, one of them has got to know how to take reverse it! If not, I am sure the secret is in some elven tomb somewhere. With the church of Bahumut *waves a hand at the giants* behind us, they'll have to take us seriously."


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

I like it as a fair way of sorting out the things the party comes across.....but....*eyes expensive great sword. Chews on lip in indecision...* That sword is just worth soo muuuch *pouts*

(^_^) We can always save up for some magic to kind of move yours around. (^_~)


Ungorralin thinks to himself This will end very well or very badly.

He takes Sherry ring, and says "Hold still." He then climbs up on her back, with little effort, she barely notices his weight. Grasping the ring in one hand, he uses his other hand to guide her tail so he can grasp the tip. Then he guides the ring onto the tail. It slips on there perfectly, but then it stays stuck afetr a couple of feet. He tries pushing it further, but the ring has bonded itself to her body.

"well, that kinda worked.

"Sherry, what do you think?"

I would like the chain shirt, and also one of the potions, that is all for now.

Edit


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

If no one objects, I would like the composite longbow (STR +9) and the arrows. After a certain someone threw some flying monsters at my party in another game *ahem looks away from Raven, I realized the importance of having a range weapon.

Oh, and please feel to check on my calculations. I try my best to be careful, but I do make mistakes. Thanks!

How much xp do we get, btw?


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8
Ungorralin wrote:

He takes Sherry's ring, and says "Hold still." He then climbs up on her back, with little effort, she barely notices his weight. Grasping the ring in one hand, he uses his other hand to guide her tail so he can grasp the tip. Then he guides the ring onto the tail. It slips on there perfectly, but then it stays stuck after a couple of feet. He tries pushing it further, but the ring has bonded itself to her body.

"Sherry, what do you think?"

(^_^) I do believe we're of the same size when I'm in Dragon form and you are in your mundane Half-ling one.

Arching her neck she looks down her length (All eight odd feet of it) and 'swishes' her tail experimentally. With an arched eye ridge she ponders the play of light upon the different contrasts of metals.

"Not bad, not bad at all..." She continues to admire the thing for a short while more. "Of course, now there is the proof if the endeavor..." As she closes her eyes and concentrates,

"Um, you may want to stand away there, Ungorralin, not sure how this is going to go." She waits for her Half-ling formed brother 'dismounts' and then....


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

Zarrosh looks at the rest of his brothers, "5 gp she splatters."


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

(O.O) *Eeeeps* As she shifts into her Elven form, both hands flying to grab at her nether regions as she stands.

"It pinches!" She she rubs at a space just beneath the waistband of her pants, wiggling about a bit as she gets things to sit a bit more comfortably 'back there'. She does spare a frown/glare at Zarroshduvar.

"Remember what I said about Ungorralin not being the only one with a sense of humor." She warns her teasing brother. "Besides, does that mean you owe me 5 Gp?" She grins charmingly at Zarroshduvar ^_^

Hee hee, thinking about the sword isn't seeming as such a bad thing. (^_^)

And the DM was asking about the reason for some of my feat choices. Always think outside the box. (^_~)


Ungorralin climbs off of her before she changes back into her elven form, and then watches her carefully as she changes form.

He smirks at Zarroshduvar, and says "Feel free to pay the lady at any time, he he."

"also I think I owe you 5 gold for the trip, he he."

I will take the items I mentioned before, tha chain shirt, and the potion. Updated char sheet.


please note!!
you will not be able to use the weapons as they are too big,
as is the chain shirt
the cloak of resistance will shrink to fit whoever wants it
Aurion call dibs on it, if no-one else want it!

i will sort out exp soon
and for this game i like zarrosh's system for treasure


Herensuge wrote:
Raven34 wrote:
"We can talk more in a Moment, i need to heal talwyn as he will be suffering" (Elan walks over to Talwyn and casts a heal and a greater restoration )
"Elan, you are the one I met in my dreams. I am both pleased to meet you here and sad because that means Drumas had to die for us to live. Has he told you more about why he wanted to create us?" And do you know why these ones came to attack us?"

Elan says, you know why he created you, and I do not know why these creatures are here

Talwyn says "i know why they are here! I heard them talking they have been looking for stormhaven for nearly a year, they were looking for drumas' treasures. they said that they have based themselves in a local village and the only village within 150 miles is "End of the world" or End for short it is situated about 50 miles south of here, they mentioned a dragon called Grymach who is a white, who lives a few hundred miles to the west of us somewhere,"


Elan continues

it is important that you know this,
your rings allow you to teleport into stromhaven directly otherwise you cannot come directly in, they also allow you to use the magical gate and they allow you entrance into your own private quarters

you six have a ring, the other two dragons have a ring, I have a ring and Talwyn does.

We must move fast to secure this place,,
With you permission I will start to move my clan into this place
we will look after it for you and defend it,
you will have a safe place to come back to and if you are ever in deperate need there will always be someone in the temple to heal you
(the giant with the big sword ads)"and we can make you magical items if you bring us the right materials"

Talwyn adds, the only place that none of us can go is into drumas' personal quarters, non of us have the magical power to get past his wards


Elan adds a further comment
" those rings are powerful but they are not artifacts
they can be removed if you want, i can surround you in a antimagic shell and you can take them off (ooc zarrosh you can have your nose ring!)
try to keep you hearts pure, i am not sure if the rings will work for someone of evil intent"


Zarroshduvar wrote:
"I still think we should start with the elves!" Zarrosh exclaims, "They put this curse on us, one of them has got to know how to take reverse it! If not, I am sure the secret is in some elven tomb somewhere. With the church of Bahumut *waves a hand at the giants* behind us, they'll have to take us seriously."

Elan replies to zarrosh's comments

"as you all grow in power there will be no-one on the planet who does not take you seriously!! beware the elves for they are a much diminished people, and when you wander from this place try to keep your humaniod forms where possible, otherwise 6 dragon will attract a lot of attention


"well, I think we should definitely get used to our bipedal forms, because who knows where our enemies lurk."

Ungorralin hands the chain shirt to Elan, and says, "Here, you can use this better than I can."


Ungorralin wrote:

"well, I think we should definitely get used to our bipedal forms, because who knows where our enemies lurk."

Ungorralin hands the chain shirt to Elan, and says, "Here, you can use this better than I can."

OOC perhaps i did not explain properly but Elan is huge!!!

Elan says "i will take this gift, one of my friends is a dedicated trader and factor, he will sell this for you, in fact you can give me anything you like and i will pass it on to be sold, but it is probably best if you give me a lot of items in one go to pass on to him

OOC Elan explains things to you a bit more, basically Elan's friend will get you half the value of anything you give him, but he will only sell items that have at least a value of 100gp new, one of you needs to bookeep what you have given Elan and every few months (game time) you can ask me how much the stuff has sold for, Elan will not visit his trader friend until you give him a total 10000 gp worth of stuff,
does this make sense


Raven34 wrote:

OOC perhaps i did not explain properly but Elan is huge!!!

Elan says "i will take this gift, one of my friends is a dedicated trader and factor, he will sell this for you, in fact you can give me anything you like and i will pass it on to be sold, but it is probably best if you give me a lot of items in one go to pass on to him

OOC Elan explains things to you a bit more, basically Elan's friend will get you half the value of anything you give him, but he will only sell items that have at least a value of 100gp new, one of you needs to bookeep what you have given Elan and every few months (game time) you can ask me how much the stuff has sold for, Elan will not visit his trader friend until you give him a total 10000 gp worth of stuff,
does this make sense

oops, sorry, really out of it. Thats what happens when you flirt with beautiful dragons, he he. Yeah I got it now.


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

Bah, anything can be used as a weapon with the right mindset and such, they just aren't useful weapons at the moment. ;). Um, surely the chain mail counts as material/resources for the Giants to turn into gear for us?

Still occasionally shifting and twitching, Sherren pads about the room.

"Indeed this place is built to accommodate fathers size. I have no doubt that, with the fullness of our age, we too shall grow to fit the spaces better." She looks up at the giant and his companions.

"Your offer is both good, and the only one we have," She smiles to try and take any sting from her words. "Though if only the rings can gain a person assess to this place, how did they," She dismissively indicates the dead monsters, "Get in and why must you 'secure' this place?" She looks to Zarroshduvar,

"Now then, brother, I believe we should think about things a little before we run off anywhere." She keeps her smile, to show she is being friendly still. "We have much skills and abilities from our time spent in commune with father, but very little practical knowledge of the world at large, so perusing a map and such will also help. I too have thoughts about the Elves, but running off and 'shaking them down' for any such knowledge or leads may not be the best way to go about things." She winks to further ease any tension her words may garner.


"The lovely and gracious Shaya speaks forsoothly on this affair Ergo, we must endeavor to conceal our manifest intentions." Man, where did I pick up those fancy words from? We should be cautious, we do not want to reveal ourselves yet, as a matter of fact, we should pretend to be an adventuring party! We can always say we are hunting for gold, which in the case of the absolutely ravishing, stunningly beautiful Shaya, it is the truth!". His eyes sparkle with mirth, plus when you look closely, you can see more he is trying to keep buried in his soul.


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

Re: Elan's trader friend

He will only sell items that have at least a value of 100gp new.

Does that mean the chain shirt is a no go? All the loot must have at least a 200 gp MARKET value?

Elan will not visit his trader friend until you give him a total 10000 gp worth of stuff

Is that 10,000 gp MARKET value? If not, that means we have to gather 20,000 gp of stuff before Elan goes visit, which is kinda cumbersome imho. We really have to gather a treasure horde before we see any returns.


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

Zarrosh seems quite put out that he can't go straight to the elves, but he brightens up, "Only a matter of time before that Grymach finds us. I say we take care of him first, starting with his minions."

The muscular human looks at Elan, "You know anything on the giants who works for him? Any non-giant minions?"

To Shaya, "That Grymach has got to have a horde. It will make ridding him quite rewarding..."


Male Sliver Dragon Silver Dragon/Cleric lvl 8

The small silver dragon flexes his wings and takes flight, turning in a lazy spiral over the party to reach Elan's height.

"Thank you, Father Elan. You help is most appreciated as is Talwin one," he replies when he can between his brother and sister banter.

"Your words were wise, sister, I would suggest to go and scout the End village or town when we are rested, to learn more about these giants and not to let anny ennemy settle there.


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8
Zarroshduvar wrote:

Zarrosh broods for a short space but he brightens up, "Only a matter of time before that Grymach finds us. I say we take care of him first, starting with his minions." The muscular human looks at Elan,

"You know anything on the giants who works for him? Any non-giant minions?" To Shaya he adds,

"That Grymach has got to have a horde. It will make ridding him quite rewarding..."

Herensuge wrote:

The small silver dragon flexes his wings and takes flight, turning in a lazy spiral over the party to reach Elan's height.

"Thank you, Father Elan. You help is most appreciated as is Talwin one," he replies when he can between his brother and sister banter.

"Your words were wise, sister, I would suggest to go and scout the End village or town when we are rested, to learn more about these giants and not to let any enemy settle there."

Sherren nods to Zarroshduvar and Herensuge.

"Zarr..I think you misunderstand my words though. What I meant was for us to take time and think over what this curse might be..." She sighs and frowns, "..I don't know how to speak about this matter yet, I can not find the right words..." She looks away towards a corner of the room for a short time before looking up to where Herensuge flits about the room.

"Thank you Heren, though I believe Zarr has aimed the bolt more true, this piddling white dragon, it should have some wealth that could be out to better used than as some scale-lings mattress." She grins ruefully, a gleam in her bright green eyes.

"Gyrmach sent us a message, it is only courteous we give it a reply."


Replying to Shaya, "Yeah, it would be discourteous for us to so rudely dismiss Gyrmach's invitation. He just sent his buddies to welcome us into this world with open arms, and fists, he he. We shoud return the favor, but with open mouth, and fang."


Zarroshduvar wrote:

Re: Elan's trader friend

He will only sell items that have at least a value of 100gp new.

Does that mean the chain shirt is a no go? All the loot must have at least a 200 gp MARKET value?

Elan will not visit his trader friend until you give him a total 10000 gp worth of stuff

Is that 10,000 gp MARKET value? If not, that means we have to gather 20,000 gp of stuff before Elan goes visit, which is kinda cumbersome imho. We really have to gather a treasure horde before we see any returns.

i will give an example

the chain shirt would be 100gp new so you could give that to the trader
you could give him 100 of them which would be 10000 gp and he would sell them, you would get 5000gp back

the trader would hopefully sell them for slightly more than 5000gp and keep any profit


Zarroshduvar wrote:

Zarrosh seems quite put out that he can't go straight to the elves, but he brightens up, "Only a matter of time before that Grymach finds us. I say we take care of him first, starting with his minions."

The muscular human looks at Elan, "You know anything on the giants who works for him? Any non-giant minions?"

To Shaya, "That Grymach has got to have a horde. It will make ridding him quite rewarding..."

Elan says "I have not been to stormhaven in over 30 years, so i cannot tell you much about the area out there

My clan live more than a thousand miles from here, so as you can see, my local knowledge is limited"

Talwyn pipes in, "let me give you a map of the area and let me show you around stormhaven, you may be interested in looking outside too"


Aurion says " we must go to End and see if those villlagers need our help!! and after we can go and have some white for dessert!!"


Ungorralin turns to Aurion and says, "Yeah, that would be a neighborly thing to do."


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

"Let's waste no time then."


Male Sliver Dragon Silver Dragon/Cleric lvl 8

"I agree, we should have a look at that village first. Besides, we do not know anything about the white dragon and despite our might, I would no give us any chances against an old one. Give me a moment, please."

Herensuge flies into his room to get changed. One moment later, a tall half elf comes out of the room. With blond almost white hair and sky blue eyes, his face shows more purpose than conventional beauty and he radiates an air of authority. He has wide shoulders and wears white robes with silver lining over a well crafted breastplate. He is bare-hands and the only weapon he carries is a sling at his belt.

Herensuge will cast an exteded magical vestment on his armor for a +2 AC for 16 hours just before leaving Stormhaven"


Ungorralin slips into his roon, and puts on a warm set of underalls, sliding his vest on top. Not having any weapons already, he decides to make a sling for himself, and also will gather some stones to use it with. Finally a walking stick completes his ensemble.

Lookin' good. He thinks to himself. Shaya will be overwhelmed, hopefully with something other than laughter.

He rejoins the group, and says, "I'm ready."


M Young Brass dragon Conjurer 8

That ended up taking a lot more time than I thought it would, as my grandfather died this weekend and all of the sudden i had a lot of family obligations to attend.
But my connection is back so i'm ready for action again.

”Let's do this thing then”

”Oh wait! I can't believe I allmost forgot him” he says and inspect the hatching area. Shortly after he finds a little egg wich he holds up ”oh there you are” he exclaims excited at the sight of the half cracked egg. ”i think you need a little help my friend.” he says and pokes the egg gently with a finger nail. Moments later the egg hatches and a tiny dragon stretches it's small wings.
A little high-pitched voice sounds in everybody's head
'About time!'
The tiny dragon takes to the air and starts circling Talwyn playfully.

look! It's a pseudodragon familiar for Talwyn to play with :)


Gharzarana wrote:

That ended up taking a lot more time than I thought it would, as my grandfather died this weekend and all of the sudden i had a lot of family obligations to attend.

But my connection is back so i'm ready for action again.

”Let's do this thing then”

”Oh wait! I can't believe I allmost forgot him” he says and inspect the hatching area. Shortly after he finds a little egg wich he holds up ”oh there you are” he exclaims excited at the sight of the half cracked egg. ”i think you need a little help my friend.” he says and pokes the egg gently with a finger nail. Moments later the egg hatches and a tiny dragon stretches it's small wings.
A little high-pitched voice sounds in everybody's head
'About time!'
The tiny dragon takes to the air and starts circling Talwyn playfully.

look! It's a pseudodragon familiar for Talwyn to play with :)

before we confirm that its a pseudodragon, you can have a faerie dragon familar as that is a proper dragon and a bit tougher!!

BTW if you take leadership feat your familar can take levels

OOC any other questions or comments, otherwise i will assume you will all rest for a bit

Elan shows you around the place, it is massive and has a big library, you can get into all of it except drumas quarters
Elan uses the magic gate to bring in some other giants
he says that everyone from his clan will be moved in a few days


Female Bronze Dragon (Young) Druid 8

Shaya continues to pad around after their guide, still in her Elven form, only occasionally hitching at her pants as they go, nodding and casting a very appraising eye over everything described.

At Elan's words about the arriving Giants, she again nods though her face is neutral and unreadable upon her thoughts about the matter.

Okay, once every one is set it's time to be off and meet the people. ;)

Also, I think I have to tweek my character some more, but will have no time for the next few days. So I'm not sure if I can justifiably get into a fight quite yet. Sorry about that. V_V


Male Sliver Dragon Silver Dragon/Cleric lvl 8

"Just one last thing. How can we decide the destination of the magical gate ? Do we need to know the place we aim for?"


Herensuge wrote:
"Just one last thing. How can we decide the destination of the magical gate ? Do we need to know the place we aim for?"

one of you needs to have been there or scryed the place

the gate is a two way gate but can only be opened from stormhaven by someone with a ring, it stays open for as long as you concentrate plus 1 round
you can use your ring to do a sending to someone in stormhaven and they can open the gate for you as long as they have seen your destination (if they are there when you opened the gate then by looking through, they count as having seen it)


Talwyn says that he could open the gate a few miles away from the village of End and go and scout it out


OOC all PC's get 5,100 exp for that last encounter
we are using the fast exp progression track
and you all started on 34,000exp


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

"Go forth little brother. May the spirit of Drumas watch over you."

Anyone wants to go with him?


Elan says "you are brave little one but you need a few days to recover your full strength"

Talwyn says "perhaps you are right"


"Well, I am ready to start this grand adventure! Starring Ungorralin, and his merry band! What do you think of that, pretty catchy, right?"


M Young Brass dragon Conjurer 8
Raven34 wrote:


before we confirm that its a pseudodragon, you can have a faerie dragon familar as that is a proper dragon and a bit tougher!!
BTW if you take leadership feat your familar can take levels

where can i find stats for a faerie dragon?


Gharzarana wrote:
Raven34 wrote:


before we confirm that its a pseudodragon, you can have a faerie dragon familar as that is a proper dragon and a bit tougher!!
BTW if you take leadership feat your familar can take levels

where can i find stats for a faerie dragon?

from bonus bestiary

Dragon, Faerie CR 2
CG Tiny dragon
Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision; Perception +8

DEFENSES AC 17, touch 15, flat-footed 14; (+3 Dex, +2 natural, +2 size)
hp 22 (3d12+3)
Fort +4, Ref +6, Will +5
Immune paralysis, sleep; SR 14

OFFENSE Spd 10 ft., fly 60 ft. (perfect), swim 30 ft.
Melee bite +4 (1d3–1)
Space 2 1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
Special Attacks breath weapon (5-ft. cone, euphoria, Fort DC 12)
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 3rd)

3/day—greater invisibility (self only)

Sorcerer Spells Known (CL 3rd)

1st (6/day)—grease (DC 14), silent image, sleep (DC 14)
0 (at will)—dancing lights, flare (DC 13), ghost sound, mage hand, open/close

STATISTICSStr 9, Dex 17, Con 13, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 16
Base Atk +3; CMB +8; CMD 17
Feats Acrobatic, Dodge
Skills Acrobatics +8, Bluff +9, Diplomacy +9, Fly +19, Perception +8, Sense Motive +8, Stealth +17, Swim +13, Use Magic Device +9
Languages Common, Draconic, Elven, Sylvan; telepathy 100 ft.

ECOLOGYEnvironment temperate and warm forest
Organization solitary or clan (2–8)

SPECIAL ABILITIES
Breath Weapon (Su) 5-foot cone, euphoria for 1d6 rounds, DC 12 Fortitude negates. Affected creatures are staggered, sickened, and immune to fear effects for the duration of the euphoria. A faerie dragon can use this breath weapon once every 1d4 rounds. The save DC is Constitution-based.

Faerie Dragons as Familiars
Although difficult to control, a faerie dragon can make for a powerful familiar. Spellcasters wishing to take a faerie dragon as a familiar must take the Improved Familiar feat and have an alignment within one step of chaotic good. The character must have an arcane spellcaster level of at least 7th before taking a faerie dragon as a familiar.


Male Sliver Dragon Silver Dragon/Cleric lvl 8
Raven34 wrote:
Talwyn says that he could open the gate a few miles away from the village of End and go and scout it out

"I agree with Elan. Talwyn, you shoul rest. You could not open the gate door us and we can without the village on our own. Be just ready to open the door back whenever we call you."


Aurion says "lets go and scout out the village tomorrow!
I want to explore stormhaven today and also go flying outside!"

elan says "thats a reasonable idea, the entrance is above the clouds so it is very unlikley that anybody will see where you have come from"

OOC I will assume that people will rest for the night and then be off tomorrow, (as it is the weekend coming up in RL i may not be able to post again until monday)
so does anybody want to do anything else on the first day of their life!

if everyone is agreed with going to the village then can you tell me how you would like to scout it. it is a village next to a river
with 50 or so homes and you can get within 300ft and still be in the trees


M Gold Dragon Barbarian 8

"Talwyn, are most of the village's inhabitants human? Would non-human faces raise any suspicion? I suppose we can explain our mix heritages by claiming that we're an adventuring band. Just want to cover all the angles, that's all."

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