Multi round actions and bardic music or when rounds / day fails


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When does a bard need to use the action for inspire compentence. When the action is started, when completed or through whole time the action is performed?
For example if a wizard was creating a staff of the monkey king and the bard performed Journey to the West to aid him would the bard need to be level 7200 to have enough rounds of bardic music to give his support to the wizard? Before you say that is silly some other epic plays like Beowulf and Ramayana are done is epic format for multiple hours at a time over multiple days.


  • Less extreme is Diplomancy checks take 10 rounds to attempt. That is a large majority of bards rounds per day.

  • Opening a lock 1 round action. Perform, start picking perform round 2, complete picking?

  • Concentration music for linguistics also seems out of the range.

  • Climbing and swiming anything seems like a large drain of resources.

For most other checks a simple aid another is easier and does not require usage of music.

Facinate also seems one that has a big loss. A first level bard can't even use it to distract for a minuite.

I loved the idea of when sneaking having a back up plan. Guards appear, Bard proceeds to use Rickroll while the party sneaks ahead to finish the job.

ps. Something fun with frightening tune, if it is a visual based performance such as dance it should be till bard is no longer visible. Target is feared turns around to flee, cone of vision moves, and the frightening tune ends as the bard is no longer in sight. "When I turn my back to it I can't see it thus I am no longer afraid, also I gain immunity for 24 hours."

pps.Pathfinder Chronicler in the phb still has uses/day. I blame the sudden change to rounds per day after the play test finished. I hope this doesn't happen in the advanced players guide. I see it with summoner nerfs on multiple fronts too much like Champions Online launch nerfing. One or two changes at a time is fine but piling multiples and the nerfing gets exponental as the multiply with eachother. It seems strong basline but has a low top end.

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