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You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.
If things were just a little different, I'd be right there with CF.
A couple of thoughts. 1) It helps me get into their minds and understand where they are coming from. Far too many Christians that I know are really out of touch with what I would call "reality". And 2) it's really a good exercise for me to make sure that I know what I believe.
He may think it odd, but I see CF as a blessing.
Mmmmmm...tea. :)Mmmmmm... Chai tea. :)Chai is good, but I'm preferring this jasmine tea right now. And of course I brewed up a big pot of chocolate rooibus tea that's cooling right now so I can have it iced later. :)
I'm trying to give up soda, so I'm drinking a lot more tea these days.
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AAH! They make CHOCOLATE ROOIBUS?!?!? That's unfair, I haven't had any yet!!!
I am having some nice strong mint tea myself, like my hero, Harsk!
Mint tea is good too. :)
And yes, they make chocolate rooibus. It is sooooo good. :)
I get it from a little tea shop downtown called Tea Haus. They do online ordering if you can't find a good chocolate rooibus nearer you. :)
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.
A lot of that is word semantics. To be truthful, I get a lot of where Courtfool is coming from (as I tend to side with a lot of his pov's on said topic). I just don't see the point in engaging the futility of the discussion as it isn't the type that I seek for other than just to throw in my two cents from time to time.
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.If things were just a little different, I'd be right there with CF.
A couple of thoughts. 1) It helps me get into their minds and understand where they are coming from. Far too many Christians that I know are really out of touch with what I would call "reality". And 2) it's really a good exercise for me to make sure that I know what I believe.
He may think it odd, but I see CF as a blessing.
His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?
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Morning, all!
I have to decide when I'm going to suck it up and get my wisdom teeth out.
Spoilered because it's a little gross:
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I still have my wisdom teeth as well, but nothing quite that bad. In fact, despite a lack of dental insurance I have never had a cavity.
But, I agree with everyone, get them out. They sound infected and a mouth infection is nothing to play around with. For your sake, especially since you are traveling overseas, I would get them taken care of.
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His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?
I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
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His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
Agreed - he seems genuinely interested in answers, as opposed to treating it is a settled matter.
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.A lot of that is word semantics. To be truthful, I get a lot of where Courtfool is coming from (as I tend to side with a lot of his pov's on said topic). I just don't see the point in engaging the futility of the discussion as it isn't the type that I seek for other than just to throw in my two cents from time to time.
No doubt. I understand Courtfool's points. However, it's really not cool to insult other people's beliefs, whether they are religious or secular. For example, I could write a dissertation on the issues that I have with liberal thought, but I don't feel a need to tell you that you are stupid and delusional for believing in what you do just because you don't think the way I do. I don't have the right.
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.I have never seen said thread. Or if I have, I have purged it from my mind. I should go take a look.
[Adm. Ackbar]IT'S A TRAP!!![/Adm. Ackbar]
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.I have never seen said thread. Or if I have, I have purged it from my mind. I should go take a look.
It's a TRAP!
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We've decided I'm going to call my dentist and see whether he thinks the issue with my tooth is pressing.
I can cross my fingers that my experience will be like Moff's. As it is:
- While I don't have experience with being sedated, I generally respond well to anesthetics and don't have lasting trouble with them.
- I don't have any problems with pain medications, including codene.
- The wisdom teeth are not impacted: they're fully in, upright, and not crowded.
That seems promising, because most people's recovery issues stem from one of those.
His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
I'm shocked you didn't correct my grammar. I should have said, "you and he". My Texan is coming out. ;)
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Agreed - he seems genuinely interested in answers, as opposed to treating it is a settled matter.His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
CH -- Didn't you mention in another thread that you were a church-goer? What is your affiliation? Mostly just curious.
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I'm shocked you didn't correct my grammar. I should have said, "you and he". My Texan is coming out. ;)His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
I'm really far from an editor. The things that I will generally miss are things like misplaced modifiers. I can read them 10 times and miss them until they are pointed out to me.
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CH -- Didn't you mention in another thread that you were a church-goer? What is your affiliation? Mostly just curious.Agreed - he seems genuinely interested in answers, as opposed to treating it is a settled matter.His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
I have a job as a musician at a Unitarian-Universalist church, so I'm technically an employee, not a member. However, I turned down many such jobs at other churches before accepting this one because what they have to say resonates with me (and I refused to spend week after week listening to sermons that I didn't agree with). So I tend to be hesitant to be a spokesman for the denomination, but there is definitely an affiliation there.
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The end point of the thread didn't look too terrible, but I didn't go back in time to see the rest. CourtFool definitely seems like he is seeking answers. If he has been insulting at some point, then that is certainly wrong.
For now, he seems genuinely confused. All of his questions come down to faith, which has nothing to do with logic. I think people on any side of a religious argument understand that, the difference comes in whether faith is sufficient for you or not. I think he is trying to understand what is required for an individual to have that level of faith despite the apparent illogical nature of religion.
I haven't been a Christian for a long time, though I was at one time. It can be hard to understand why other people are. But I think it is important to accept that faith can be a fulfilling state for many people and move on from there. I don't think he will find an answer that will satisfy his question.
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I have a job as a musician at a Unitarian-Universalist church, so I'm technically an employee, not a member. However, I turned down many such jobs at other churches before accepting this one because what they have to say resonates with me (and I refused to spend week after week listening to sermons that I didn't agree with). So I tend to be hesitant to be a spokesman for the denomination, but there is definitely an affiliation there.CH -- Didn't you mention in another thread that you were a church-goer? What is your affiliation? Mostly just curious.Agreed - he seems genuinely interested in answers, as opposed to treating it is a settled matter.His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
I like the Unitarians a lot. I had considered attending the local church but I have never found the time.
You know Moff. I don't know how you deal with the BS you receive in the Civil Religious thread. I really don't.A lot of that is word semantics. To be truthful, I get a lot of where Courtfool is coming from (as I tend to side with a lot of his pov's on said topic). I just don't see the point in engaging the futility of the discussion as it isn't the type that I seek for other than just to throw in my two cents from time to time.
Yeah, I wanted to take part, but I just couldn't deal with the way people treated my attempts to add to the conversation. Especially when I am an expert on theological epistemology and they aren't. I will lay my hands on Moff and send him into the wilderness in my stead.
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I like the Unitarians a lot. I had considered attending the local church but I have never found the time.I have a job as a musician at a Unitarian-Universalist church, so I'm technically an employee, not a member. However, I turned down many such jobs at other churches before accepting this one because what they have to say resonates with me (and I refused to spend week after week listening to sermons that I didn't agree with). So I tend to be hesitant to be a spokesman for the denomination, but there is definitely an affiliation there.CH -- Didn't you mention in another thread that you were a church-goer? What is your affiliation? Mostly just curious.Agreed - he seems genuinely interested in answers, as opposed to treating it is a settled matter.His repetition is what I don't understand. He says the same thing over and over again(God doesn't exist, the Bible was written by man, etc.). In fact you and him are having the same discussion for about the 10th time. What is his point? Is he trying to convince you there isn't a God?I don't think so. He knows more than most that he'd have an easier time cutting down an oak tree with a herring. There's something else there that's driving him. He wants to understand something -- I'm just not sure yet what that "something" is.
Like many things in life if you feel it is important, make the time.
As an aside thank you Moff for putting up with me. :)
I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/
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As an aside thank you Moff for putting up with me. :)
Thanks all for the support. The other reason I like to go there is because -- if the only example of Christians that others see are the psycho-nut-jobs that make the news ... well I just want people to know that there are "normal" Christians out there and that truthfully few of us are like, oh say ... Phelps.
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As an aside thank you Moff for putting up with me. :)Thanks all for the support. The other reason I like to go there is because -- if the only example of Christians that others see are the psycho-nut-jobs that make the news ... well I just want people to know that there are "normal" Christians out there and that truthfully few of us are like, oh say ... Phelps.
Well, I think you do a good job of that. :)
Though I did have to stop reading that thread a while ago for the sake of my sanity. Which makes me sad sometimes. I miss when the discussion is rational. I learned a lot from it.
Ah, religion. One of a handful of topics guaranteed to make enemies out of friends.
Mint tea is good too. :)
And yes, they make chocolate rooibus. It is sooooo good. :)
I get it from a little tea shop downtown called Tea Haus. They do online ordering if you can't find a good chocolate rooibus nearer you. :)
In that case, I shall head to the Haus!!!
I miss when the discussion is rational.Sebastian just killed "rational". But at least it's funny.
lol. Well, maybe I'll just have to read that part. :)
I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/
Just a thought: this may have less to do with how traditional a church is and more finding one/breaking into one where there is real community. Any time your the new person, there are explanations and negotiations in getting to know one another. Once you're through the admittedly difficult phase of being new, then you may have found that community that is supporting instead of judging, etc.
Sorry about that...I think others helped him along a bit.I miss when the discussion is rational.Sebastian just killed "rational". But at least it's funny.
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I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/
It's strange- My mom recently became Catholic, and at her ceremony at the church service(which was standing room only- I really got a sense of history for what religious observances were like for the poor a few centuries back and in some other parts of the world today), there was a kid that was very clearly ADHD. Running around(I don't mean being energetic- I mean actually running around, almost like he was getting ready for a workout), could NOT pay attention to more than one thing at one time(a brightly colored church was quite overstimulating), and overall making a lot of noise. His father kept him from running too far into the church and the people around, including the ushers, treated him with patience and respected his potential diagnosis, with a few patiently explaining away his regular "What's that?" inquiry. It was one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen.
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I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/
The Unitarians are unique in that they do not define God. They prefer to have members of varying views and religious inclinations. One of the local churches has Muslims, neo-pagans (which includes Wiccans), Christians, and more. I like their approach to acceptance and I like they are not a traditional, Christian church. They are also highly liberal, which appeals to me.
Check out their site for more info.
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Like many things in life if you feel it is important, make the time.
Well, I do practice my own religious beliefs. The advantage of a Unitarian church would be the support of a community. But that isn't dire for me. I want to check it out and see how the services function but I am not feeling overtly led or anything.
I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/Just a thought: this may have less to do with how traditional a church is and more finding one/breaking into one where there is real community. Any time your the new person, there are explanations and negotiations in getting to know one another. Once you're through the admittedly difficult phase of being new, then you may have found that community that is supporting instead of judging, etc.
Finding a person like that is hard. Finding a community like that is like searching for buried treasure. :)
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Well, I do practice my own religious beliefs. The advantage of a Unitarian church would be the support of a community. But that isn't dire for me. I want to check it out and see how the services function but I am not feeling overtly led or anything.
Like many things in life if you feel it is important, make the time.
I can respect that.
I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/It's strange- My mom recently became Catholic, and at her ceremony at the church service(which was standing room only- I really got a sense of history for what religious observances were like for the poor a few centuries back and in some other parts of the world today), there was a kid that was very clearly ADHD. Running around(I don't mean being energetic- I mean actually running around, almost like he was getting ready for a workout), could NOT pay attention to more than one thing at one time(a brightly colored church was quite overstimulating), and overall making a lot of noise. His father kept him from running too far into the church and the people around, including the ushers, treated him with patience and respected his potential diagnosis, with a few patiently explaining away his regular "What's that?" inquiry. It was one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen.
Well, that's good to hear that they were understanding about the behavior. It is a hard environment for a kid with those kind of issues. It always makes for a refreshing change when those challenges are met with compassion.
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Finding a person like that is hard. Finding a community like that is like searching for buried treasure. :)I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/Just a thought: this may have less to do with how traditional a church is and more finding one/breaking into one where there is real community. Any time your the new person, there are explanations and negotiations in getting to know one another. Once you're through the admittedly difficult phase of being new, then you may have found that community that is supporting instead of judging, etc.
But so worth it.
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I can respect that.Well, I do practice my own religious beliefs. The advantage of a Unitarian church would be the support of a community. But that isn't dire for me. I want to check it out and see how the services function but I am not feeling overtly led or anything.
Like many things in life if you feel it is important, make the time.
I do absolutely agree with you. So many people put the important things off and many of those simply don't understand what is important and what is not.
I appreciate the encouragement.
Finding a person like that is hard. Finding a community like that is like searching for buried treasure. :)I think Unitarian may be one of the few churches I've never been to. I tend to be uncomfortable in most traditional churches so I haven't been to church in over a year. Between my non-traditional home situation and having to apologize/explain my son's problems in a sunday school setting, it just left me feeling constantly judged or just like I couldn't really talk openly to anyone. :/Just a thought: this may have less to do with how traditional a church is and more finding one/breaking into one where there is real community. Any time your the new person, there are explanations and negotiations in getting to know one another. Once you're through the admittedly difficult phase of being new, then you may have found that community that is supporting instead of judging, etc.
Maybe, but I think part of the problem is it's a treasure that only gets discovered with time. Maybe its created more than discovered. My suspicion is (and this reflects some of my own struggles) that we want or need this strongly, and get disappointed when it doesn't manifest as quickly as we need it, partially because our lives are so different than they were in a more settled society. It takes time to get to know people, build relationships, and so on. Is it more of a capacity that people develop from sticking together, as opposed to something you can just find somewhere and step into, is what I am asking.
We have three loud boys that run around willy-nilly sometimes at the cathedral, and their parents are very intelligent, caring, and involved people. I still haven't completely figured out how much these boys are the victims of some hippish tendencies and how much they may have special differences and needs, but there's a give and take between us and the family.
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My shoulders will be killing me later. Just got back from my first workout in a long time. I decided to focus on my shoulders for my punching power and arm stamina for Muay Thai when I go back. Fun new way to use dumbbells, Hold onto a 10 lb(er) in each hand and start throwing jabs, crosses, hooks and uppercuts. Do this for 3-5 minutes for a set and do 3-5 sets
We now return you to your normally scheduled topic
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My shoulders will be killing me later. Just got back from my first workout in a long time. I decided to focus on my shoulders for my punching power and arm stamina for Muay Thai when I go back. Fun new way to use dumbbells, Hold onto a 10 lb(er) in each hand and start throwing jabs, crosses, hooks and uppercuts. Do this for 3-5 minutes for a set and do 3-5 setsWe now return you to your normally scheduled topic
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I was thinking about doing this last night, but sleep won out. I usually use a good...god, what 40-50 pound dumbell I can hold with both hands for practicing sword strikes.
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My shoulders will be killing me later. Just got back from my first workout in a long time. I decided to focus on my shoulders for my punching power and arm stamina for Muay Thai when I go back. Fun new way to use dumbbells, Hold onto a 10 lb(er) in each hand and start throwing jabs, crosses, hooks and uppercuts. Do this for 3-5 minutes for a set and do 3-5 setsWe now return you to your normally scheduled topic
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I wish I could work out. I need to. The doctor told me I NEED to. Just am unable to find the..... something to make me actually do so. Motivation, I have lots of reasons to do so. It is deeper then that. Good luck to you WR.
I wish I could work out. I need to. The doctor told me I NEED to. Just am unable to find the..... something to make me actually do so. Motivation, I have lots of reasons to do so. It is deeper then that. Good luck to you WR.*threadjack*
My shoulders will be killing me later. Just got back from my first workout in a long time. I decided to focus on my shoulders for my punching power and arm stamina for Muay Thai when I go back. Fun new way to use dumbbells, Hold onto a 10 lb(er) in each hand and start throwing jabs, crosses, hooks and uppercuts. Do this for 3-5 minutes for a set and do 3-5 setsWe now return you to your normally scheduled topic
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Start off with walking to work. It's done wonders for me.
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Start off with walking to work. It's done wonders for me.I wish I could work out. I need to. The doctor told me I NEED to. Just am unable to find the..... something to make me actually do so. Motivation, I have lots of reasons to do so. It is deeper then that. Good luck to you WR.*threadjack*
My shoulders will be killing me later. Just got back from my first workout in a long time. I decided to focus on my shoulders for my punching power and arm stamina for Muay Thai when I go back. Fun new way to use dumbbells, Hold onto a 10 lb(er) in each hand and start throwing jabs, crosses, hooks and uppercuts. Do this for 3-5 minutes for a set and do 3-5 setsWe now return you to your normally scheduled topic
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Huh. I didn't realize how far away my job is because it's such a quick drive on not-so-heavily-travelled roads... I think 7.5 miles is longer than I would want to walk each way :(