I Need A Replacement...

[David Fryer]

for Torag, the 4E god of torture, jailers, and the Underdark. Any good Pathfinder analogs?

[Woodraven]

Moorluck? ;)

[Mairkurion {tm}]

Yeah, there's an evil dwarf god of toil and suffering in Hollow's Last Hope. Droskar?

EDIT: Wait, in Golarion, the good dwarves' god's name is Torag. Did you get that name right?

Here's Droskar.

[Davi The Eccentric]

Yep, the 4e god of torture is also named Torag. As for a Pathfinder equivilent, you can always go with Zon-Kuthon, god of Envy, Pain, Darkness and Loss.

[Mairkurion {tm}]

I hope Paizo is keeping track of these coincidences in PI.

[Davi The Eccentric]

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

I hope Paizo is keeping track of these coincidences in PI.

It probably is just a coincidence, since both the Pathfinder setting and 4e were being developed at the same time. A strange coincidence, since the only other mention of Torag I can find is some random character in Runequest, but still a coincidence.

[Seldriss]

I don't know the complete and actual list of demon or devil lords in Golarion setting, but maybe a demonlord of emprisonment, linked to the equivalent of Carceri would fit ?
Or something like Baphomet, whose labyrinths would be pocket planes of emprisonment ? (something i use in my games)

[Twin Agate Dragons]

Magrim; LN; the underworld; Law, Repose, Rune; Hammer

Norgorber; NE; greed, secrets, poison, murder; Charm, Death, Evil, Knowledge, Trickery; Light hammer

[William Ronald]

In the 4E DMG, {b]Torog[/b] is listed as the evil god of the Underdark, torturers and jailers. He is referred to as the King Who Crawls.

The contrasts with Torag in Pathfinder are obvious. (Not sure of the official pronounciations of Torag or Torog.)

[Mairkurion {tm}]

So the spelling is different? Well, that's something. Yeah, not sure I'd pronounce them any differently, though. Whatever happened to Fryer?

[Tim Statler]

call Fleemco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Replacements_%28TV_series%29

[David Fryer]

All of these are good suggestions, but I think the feel of most of them is off. I need someone who would drag a whole city into the underdark, and torture and kill all the inhabitants because five of them dared to defy him and rescue a prisoner from his torture chambers.

[malkav666]

Then you want Zon-Kuthon

love,

malkav

[David Fryer]

I don't know how lawful an act that is. But Zon-Kuthon seems like the best avalible choice.

[William Ronald]

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

So the spelling is different? Well, that's something. Yeah, not sure I'd pronounce them any differently, though. Whatever happened to Fryer?

I imagine that Torag would have the same o sound as Thor for the first sylabble and a shot a as in rag or bag. (I would pronounce the name TOR-ag, emphasizing the first syllable.)

For Torog, I am guessing that WotC wants people to use two short vowels. Maybe pronounce it like TOE-rog to distinguish the two.

Hmm, is there an official Pathfinder pronunciation guide or a Dungeons and Dragons pronunciation guide? (Hmm. Drow, how now brown cow? Drow, row, row, row your boat down the stream. ;) )

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Yes, it is Torog in the new 4E Underdark book, though I have not seen the pronunciation listed there. Underdark is also now setting-neutral from the looks of it and not specifically a part of the Forgotten Realms, so it could be used with Golarion, if you do not mind modifying some things.