Was there ever an official ruling on shield mastery and using two shields at the same time as far as the elimination of TWF minuses?
There was. James officially ruled that it's only the BASE shield bonus.
I personally say Eff that and allow feats that increase shield bonus (shield mastery, etc) to increase the 'base' shield bonus for purpose of shield mastery.
No wasn't that just for the gained enhancement bonus, but I am talking about the main aspect of the feet.
"Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties on attack rolls made with a shield while you are wielding another weapon."
I personally say Eff that and allow feats that increase shield bonus (shield mastery, etc) to increase the 'base' shield bonus for purpose of shield mastery.
I believe you're referencing Shield Focus...?
But I mostly agree, I think not counting the Shield (AC) Enhancement Bonus towards the weapon is reasonable,but if somebody takes Shield Focus to up their AC by 1, that should also apply to it's usage as a Weapon with Shield Mastery.
Yes, that was given a ruling as well, only applies to the shield itself, not the other weapon.
Do you have the link for that comment?
...I would say that as only one shield counts towards AC bonus, that only one shield can benefit from removal of the 2WF penalty. The other is simply a weapon, though it of course would benefit from any Weapon Focus: Shield Feats you have. Having zero penalty 2WF with identical non-Light weapons (not to mention getting a discount on weapon enhancements) would just be a bit too much.
There was. James officially ruled that it's only the BASE shield bonus.
I personally say Eff that and allow feats that increase shield bonus (shield mastery, etc) to increase the 'base' shield bonus for purpose of shield mastery.
No wasn't that just for the gained enhancement bonus, but I am talking about the main aspect of the feet.
"Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties on attack rolls made with a shield while you are wielding another weapon."
le-sigh
Yes, that was given a ruling as well, only applies to the shield itself, not the other weapon.
(Note I personally would change the wording to treat the shield as one size less, allowing a light shield dual-wielder to have no penalty and the heavy to have -2/-2)
Umm I don't think your actually reading my posts...
I personally say Eff that and allow feats that increase shield bonus (shield mastery, etc) to increase the 'base' shield bonus for purpose of shield mastery.I believe you're referencing Shield Focus...?
But I agree, I think not counting the Shield (AC) Enhancement Bonus towards the weapon is reasonable, but if somebody takes Shield Focus to up their AC by 1, this increase should also apply to it's usage as a Weapon with Shield Mastery.I don't believe there was anything directly said on the subject of wielding two shields.
But I would say that as only one shield counts towards AC bonus, that only one shield can benefit from removal of the 2WF penalty. The other is simply a weapon, though it of course would benefit from any Weapon Focus "Shield" Feats you have. Having zero penalty 2WF with identical non-Light weapons (not to mention getting a discount on weapon enhancements) would just be a bit too much.
Wait... The enhancement bonus granted stacks with the ones you have on the weapon/shield already? Where does it say that?
I personally say Eff that and allow feats that increase shield bonus (shield mastery, etc) to increase the 'base' shield bonus for purpose of shield mastery.I believe you're referencing Shield Focus...?Ummm.... yeah.... *blush*... that....
lol
And Captain, what EXACTLY is your question? Sorry I if I misunderstood.
"Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties on attack rolls made with a shield while you are wielding another weapon."
stated here in the PRD, what would happen if you are using two shields? Sense shields are both weapons and shields at the same time you technically RAW, don't have any TWF minuses when using two shields.
I was wondering if there is any official ruling on this?
It doesn't stack, but it could lower the costs by only getting a +1 weapon enhancement + special abilities, while still getting the benefit of the shield bonus as enhancement bonus (i.e. +2 and up, if you use Shield Focus)
Well, when using a shield you're actively turning into a blow in such a way so as to deflect it from hitting anything critical. Seeing as how the other shield necessarily would be somewhere completely different, I can't see how the shield bonuses can overlap.
I think logic dictates the Two Spiked Heavy Shield no TWF penalties at all exploit/build is not legal but I'm not sure they've ever done an official "what are you smoking?" denial.
It clearly seems outside of the RAI even if it might be legal under an ultra-literal RAW interpretation.
The second benefit of shield master seems to remove the necessity of spending a ton of cash on enchanting shield spikes to improve shield bash damage since you can in effect get a +3 to attack and damage with heavy shield + shield focus or a +2 to attack and damage with a light shield + shield focus.
but officially, shield focus DOESN'T work...
(for balance purposes, there should just be BAB requirements for Shield Focus/ Grt Shield Focus)