This adventure has a lot of problems with it for my game in general
It's level is wrong right off the bat its to low of level. It says a 4th level adventure and you need to be 5th to finish Howl of the Carrion King. This im sure has to do With Eric Doing Howl after part 2 and 3 were already done.
Lesaar in his discription talks about Sorcerous powers yet he is a cleric
and im playing this PFRPG and Flame Brother are not a part of the Bestiary but I am pretty sure if you put the Young Creature Template on a Salamander it would work
Im going to make some changes to this for who ever is interested
Im going to Stat up a Young Salamander, im going to make Lesaar a Sorcerer, And for Thratnias im going to play around with a couple of template Giant and Advanced to make a true challenge for 5th or 6th level Pathfinder characters
Here is my first shot at a Flame Brother
Young Salamander Flamebrother CR 5
XP 1600
CE Small outsider (extraplanar, fire)
Init +1; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +16
Defense
AC 19 Touch 14, Flat-footed 15 (+3 Dex, +5 natural, +1 size)
hp 60 (8d10+16)
Fort +8, Ref +9, Will +6
DR 10/magic; Immune fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold
Offense
Speed 20 ft.
Melee spear +9/+4 (1d6+1/×3 plus 1d6 fire), tail slap +6 (1d4+1 plus 1d6 fire and grab)
Space 5 ft.; Reach 5 ft. (5 ft. with tail)
Special Attacks constrict (1d4+2 plus 1d6 fire), heat
Statistics
Str 12, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 13
Base Atk +8; CMB +8 (+12 grapple); CMD 21 (can't be tripped)
Feats Cleave, Iron Will, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Acrobatics +12, Bluff +12, Craft (weaponsmithing) +17, Intimidate +12, Knowledge (planes) +13, Perception +16, Sense Motive +13, Stealth +12; Racial Modifiers +4 Craft (armorsmithing, blacksmithing, and weaponsmithing)
Languages Common, Ignan
Ecology
Environment any (Plane of Fire)
Organization solitary, pair, or cluster (3–5)
Treasure standard (spear, other nonflammable treasure)
Special Abilities
Heat (Ex) A salamander generates so much heat that its mere touch deals an additional 1d6 points of fire damage. A salamander's metallic weapons also conduct this heat
Just with these Guys this adventures gets alot better LOL
It's level is wrong right off the bat its to low of level. It says a 4th level adventure and you need to be 5th to finish Howl of the Carrion King.
The topic of the low adventure level was covered here. There you'll also find a very nice "Director's Cut" of the Set Piece, composed by Rob (drunken_nomad) himself.
Lesaar in his discription talks about Sorcerous powers yet he is a cleric
I think this is no big problem. Who knows how a salamander defines "sorcerous powers"? ;)
and im playing this PFRPG and Flame Brother are not a part of the Bestiary but I am pretty sure if you put the Young Creature Template on a Salamander it would work
A nice conversion. As for my group (also PFRPG), I used the 3.5 version of the flamebrother and just added CMB and CMD. It worked out well, but I have to admit that it was still a walk-through for my 5th level party. But beware the final encounter with
Here is what I wanted to do for the boss Thratnias
Salamander “Giant” CR 7
XP 3,200
CE Large outsider (extraplanar, fire)
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +16
Defense
AC 19, touch 9, flat-footed 19 (+0 Dex, +10 natural, -1 size)
hp 92 (8d10+48)
Fort +12, Ref +6, Will +6
DR 10/magic; Immune fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold
Offense
Speed 30 ft.
Melee spear +12/+7 (2d6+7/×3 plus 1d6 fire), tail slap +7 (2d8+3 plus 1d6 fire and grab)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 10 ft. (15 ft. with tail)
Special Attacks constrict (2d8+3 plus 1d6 fire), heat
Statistics
Str 20, Dex 11, Con 22, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 13
Base Atk +8; CMB +14 (+18 grapple); CMD 24 (can't be tripped)
Feats Cleave, Iron Will, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Acrobatics +11, Bluff +12, Craft (weaponsmithing) +17, Intimidate +12, Knowledge (planes) +13, Perception +16, Sense Motive +13, Stealth +11; Racial Modifiers +4 Craft (armorsmithing, blacksmithing, and weaponsmithing)
Languages Common, Ignan
Ecology
Environment any (Plane of Fire)
Organization solitary, pair, or cluster (3–5)
Treasure standard (spear, other nonflammable treasure)
Special Abilities
Heat (Ex) A salamander generates so much heat that its mere touch deals an additional 1d6 points of fire damage. A salamander's metallic weapons also conduct this heat.
There's an interesting post regarding the Giant creature template.
I was wondering how it will differ compared to your version. In this variant, I was using Tables 2-2, 2-3 and 3-1 in the Bestiary instead of the template:
CE Large outsider (extraplanar, fire) CR 7
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +16
Defense
AC 18, touch 9, flat-footed 18 (+0 Dex, +9 natural, -1 size)
hp 92 (8d10+48)
Fort +12, Ref +6, Will +6
DR 10/magic; Immune fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold
Offense
Speed 20 ft.
Melee +1 shocking spear +15/+10 (2d6+10/×3 plus 1d6 fire plus 1d6 shock), tail slap +9 (2d8+3 plus 1d6 fire and grab)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 10 ft. (15 ft. with tail)
Special Attacks constrict (2d6+10 plus 1d6 fire), heat
Statistics
Str 24, Dex 11, Con 22, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 13
Base Atk +8; CMB +16 (+20 grapple); CMD 26 (can't be tripped)
Feats Cleave, Iron Will, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Acrobatics +11, Bluff +12, Craft (weaponsmithing) +17, Intimidate +12, Knowledge (planes) +13, Perception +16, Sense Motive +13, Stealth +7; Racial Modifiers +4 Craft (armorsmithing, blacksmithing, and weaponsmithing)
Either way, an enlarged Thratnias will be a real challenge for a party of 5th or 6th level characters, especially with the terrain bonus on the salamander's side. You can make this encounter even more interesting by skipping Cleave in favor of Improved Bull Rush, I belief.
The difference in damage output is due to the fact that Thratnias is fighting with a Two-handed weapon.
I think that was just my mistake it should be fighting with a two handed weapon bad math on my part and didnt realize it was a shocking spear man that thing can throw some damage
I made Lesaar I added five levels of Cleric to a Flamebrother and took away one outsider hitdice my skills might be a little off but im still trying the pathfinder skills
Lesaar Flamebrother 5th Level Cleric CR 7
XP 3200
CE Small outsider (extraplanar, fire)
Init +4; Senses Darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +23
Defense
AC 22 Touch 17, Flat-footed 18 (+4 Dex, +5 natural, +1 size, Armor +2)
hp 103 (7d10+28, 5d8+20)
Fort +13, Ref +10, Will +13
DR 10/magic; Immune fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold
Offense
Speed 20 ft.
Melee +1 spear +12/+7 (1d6+1/×3 plus 1d6 fire), tail slap +7 (1d4 plus 1d6 fire and grab)
Ranged Elemental Dart +15 (1d6+2)
Space 5 ft.; Reach 5 ft. (5 ft. with tail)
Special Attacks constrict (1d4 plus 1d6 fire), heat, Spells, Channel Energy 5xday (3d6 DC 16 Will for Half) , Acid Dart 8x Day, Fire Dart 8x Day
Statistics
Str 10, Dex 19, Con 18, Int 14, Wis 20, Cha 15
Base Atk +10; CMB +9 (+13 grapple); CMD 23 (can't be tripped)
Feats Cleave, Combat Casting, Craft Magical Arms and Armor, Improved Channel, Iron Will, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Perception)
Skills Acrobatics +19, Bluff +17, Craft (weaponsmithing) +21, Diplomacy +17, Heal, +20 Intimidate +18, Knowledge (planes) +17, Knowledge (religion) +17 Perception +23, Sense Motive +20, Spellcraft +17 Stealth +19; Racial Modifiers +4 Craft (armorsmithing, blacksmithing, and weaponsmithing)
Languages Common, Ignan
Ecology
Environment any (Plane of Fire)
Organization solitary, pair, or cluster (3–5)
Treasure +1 Spear, Bracers or Armor +2
Special Abilities
Cleric Spells Domain Fire and Earth CL 5th Spell DC 15 + Level, Concentration Checks +14
0 Level Spells Detect Magic, Mending, Read Magic, Stabilize
1st Level Spells Bane, Cure Light Wounds x2, Protection from Good, Shield of Faith, Divine Favor Burning Hands (D)
2nd Level Spells Cure Moderate Wounds, Hold Person, Spiritual Weapon, Soften Earth and Stone (D)
3rd Level Spells Meld into Stone, Dispel Magic, Fireball (D)
Heat (Ex) A salamander generates so much heat that its mere touch deals an additional 1d6 points of fire damage. A salamander's metallic weapons also conduct this heat.
and didnt realize it was a shocking spear man that thing can throw some damage
Yes, and with Power Attack it's just overkill. Perhaps keeping Cleave is not a bad idea after all... :)
And no, your math was right. Size increase just gives more Str than the template.
Yes, and with Power Attack it's just overkill. Perhaps keeping Cleave is not a bad idea after all... :)
Yeah his Attack on power attack is
Power Attack +9/+4 (2d6+17/×3 plus 1d6 fire plus 1d6 electrical) Tail Slap +4 (2d8+6 plus 1d6 fire and grab)OUCHYeah the Large Salamander is well worth the CR it should be a great battle
I also Advanced the Fire Snake and Converted him to Pathfinder ( I took it from the PFSRD and fixed the poison and added the advanced template)
Fire Snake Advanced
Fire Snake CR 2 600 XP
N Small outsider (extraplanar, fire) (Tome of Horrors Revisited 196)
Init +5; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +12
DEFENSES
AC 21, touch 16, flat-footed 16 (+5 Dex, +5 natural, +1 size)
hp 14 (2d8+6)
Fort +6, Ref +8, Will +6
Defensive Abilities Immune fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold
OFFENSE
Speed 20 ft., climb 20 ft.
Melee bite +6 (1d4+3 plus paralysis)
STATISTICS
Str 14, Dex 21, Con 16, Int 5, Wis 16, Cha 11
Base Atk +2; CMB +3; CMD 16 (can't be tripped)
Feats Weapon Finesse
Skills Acrobatics +10, Climb +10, Stealth +14, Perception +12
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Fire Snake Poison
Type poison, injury; Save Fortitude DC 14
Frequency 1/round for 2 rounds
Initial Effect Paralysis for 3 rounds;
Secondary Effect None;
Cure 1 save
Skills Fire snakes have a +4 racial bonus on Stealth and Perception checks and a +8 racial bonus on Acrobatics and Climb checks. A fire snake can always choose to take 10 on a Climb check, even if rushed or threatened. Fire snakes use either their Strength modifier or Dexterity modifier for Climb checks, whichever is higher.
Joey, thank you for converting all this to Pathfinder stats (and making the adversaries TOUGH!) and thank you to Ylciriel for pointing everyone to the other thread. Rum n cokes for you both!
The spear was supposed to a mofo! Give those fighter-types something to worry about ;)
and *all salamanders with spell abilities call themselves 'sorceroussssss', just to sound like Cobra Commander.