I'm currently running a pathfinder game (the CoT AP), I have a player who has rolled a dwarven monk, and wants to play him as a "Drunken master" style toon. He has shown an intrest in using the Drunken master PRC out of The Complete Warrior (pg. 27).
Now my Idea was than instead of taking lvls in the PRC, he could take the abilities as Feats, *IF* he meets the Reqs:
-Must qualify for the PRC, via what it lists is needed for skills, feats etc.
-Must be high enough lvl to take the ability.
Lvl is equal to the min lvl he would be to qualify for the PRC + the lvl of prc that the ability is tied to.
IE: you must be at least 5th lvl to enter Drunken master. The Drink like a Demon skill is earned at 1st lvl of Drunken master, so he could take that as a feat at lvl 6 as a monk bonus feat.
This seems just fine for straight forward classes/ PRC
But I can't seem to think of a way to do the Multi class casters. like Mystic Theurge, or True Necro without multi classing. I was thinking of just leaving that step up for PRC's alone, as is.
*edit*: Naturally everythign is subject to Dm approval, and if i feel its too strong of an ability, can will water it down a bit, or not allow it to be taken.
Any thoughts, feelings, suggestions would be very helpful!
I'm currently running a pathfinder game (the CoT AP), I have a player who has rolled a dwarven monk, and wants to play him as a "Drunken master" style toon. He has shown an intrest in using the Drunken master PRC out of The Complete Warrior (pg. 27).
Now my Idea was than instead of taking lvls in the PRC, he could take the abilities as Feats, *IF* he meets the Reqs:
-Must qualify for the PRC, via what it lists is needed for skills, feats etc.
-Must be high enough lvl to take the ability.
Lvl is equal to the min lvl he would be to qualify for the PRC + the lvl of prc that the ability is tied to.IE: you must be at least 5th lvl to enter Drunken master. The Drink like a Demon skill is earned at 1st lvl of Drunken master, so he could take that as a feat at lvl 6 as a monk bonus feat.
This seems just fine for straight forward classes/ PRC
But I can't seem to think of a way to do the Multi class casters. like Mystic Theurge, or True Necro without multi classing. I was thinking of just leaving that step up for PRC's alone, as is.
Any thoughts, feelings, suggestions would be very helpful!
Giving class abilities as feats only works if they mesh very well with existing class abilities. Because you are limiting the other options the player can take. Often prestige class abilities are meant to be gained in place of base class abilities instead of in addition to them. You should consider carefully how they will interact (for good or for ill) if you make them feats.
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My DM just allows the PrC (if it was one he'd allow in his 3.5 games) Usually the PrCs aren't as badass as the Pathfinder ones. Case in point: a rogue/cleric took Divine Trickster, which isn't that powerful.
It seems your issue with the PrC is not that it doesn't fit with PF, but that it is overpowered in your opinion. I could be wrong, though.
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I'm currently running a pathfinder game (the CoT AP), I have a player who has rolled a dwarven monk, and wants to play him as a "Drunken master" style toon. He has shown an intrest in using the Drunken master PRC out of The Complete Warrior (pg. 27).
And I must say you are doing a fantastic job :) I am said player looking to go the route of drunken master (yes I know monks are meh, i like playing them regardless). I think Kolo is onto something with the fact of having them mesh in with the existing class abilities. For something like a monk/drunken fighter, this particular case seems to work pretty well, but I can see the issues that Thor states as well, certain caster PrCs could cause issues. It really seems like a situation where you just have to take each base/PrC class that is being considered and weigh how viable it is. That being said, I thought it was a good solution when you proposed it, and in the monk/drunken master case it seems it would work well. I do like the idea and am also interested in seeing any other's thoughts on the viability of this.
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My DM just allows the PrC (if it was one he'd allow in his 3.5 games) Usually the PrCs aren't as badass as the Pathfinder ones. Case in point: a rogue/cleric took Divine Trickster, which isn't that powerful.
It seems your issue with the PrC is not that it doesn't fit with PF, but that it is overpowered in your opinion. I could be wrong, though.
Well Im a monk, which is not the strongest class to begin with, and the PrC isnt an obviously powerful one at that. Im doing this for more thematic reasons, this is a character that I would like to try playing, regardless of it is an powerful char or not (I have to say its not particularly). I cant speak for Thor, but if I had to guess his issue was an attempt at an easy way to convert the PrC to pathfinder, rather than any feelings of the PrC being overpowered. If anything, the prc is merely meh in terms of power, not adding a lot to my monk abilities while id lose a lot of the core monk features that try to keep me in line with other classes. Sure the abilities fir thematically with a monk, but none of the prc levels would stack with monk levels for anything such as speed or unarmed damage bonus, which is a pretty decent detriment to an already lesser class. Again, im prepared to play a non-uber character as long as I am enjoying it (which i am thoroughly).
Power Creep was an issue I considered, I have another game I run (my first time DMing) that I let get out of hand quickly. I actually feel the Pathfinder classes are better that Multiclassing into a PRC, becuase of the extra's Paizo has added in ( bloodline, domain, School etc..)
My main concern is that most 3.5 PRc's state you looks any other special things you get as the base class. Like Domain powers, or Focus School powers etc. The idea was to keep the Base class progression in the Pathfinder classes, and and some Flavor to them w/ the PRC's.
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Once again, this is a decision that the DM must make. It would be better for the DM to just allow the PrC rather than mess with the base class. First off, most of us are not game designers that have play tested for hundreds of hours to make monks balance in the game.
Paizo has stated that many of the 3.5 PrC's are equal or less powerful than the Pathfinder core class powers.
With that said, you cant really say that Dunken Master is one of the ones that is more powerful.
First off, you need a teacher, then you have to pass a test, and if you get that far, then you practically take yourself out of most serious RP opportunities, for most civilized cultures look down on 24-7 drunkeness.
The abilities are cool, but I look at this PrC as one that would be taken in a 1-on-1 DM/player game. But that is me. I would allow it as a DM for it gives me material to use in game for quests and flavor, and I think it is more of a detriment to the PC in a 4 player or more game.
I'm in another game where we are mix and matching from 3.5 into Pathfinder, and really we have had no real issues at all, and a lot of fun onto the bargain. Pathfinder was made for this, and it works out just great. Just don't forget the changes in PrC saves!