The Doctor and River Song


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Okay, this has come up elsewhere but I'd like you guys to comment. How did River Song recognize the Doctor in the library if he had regenerated into Matt Smith by then? Ihave my own theory about this but I'd love to here what you guys think.


He may not have, if you recall when he came out at the front of the end of time he had said he got married. But then he may have changed his timeline, it would not be the first time he changed events

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
He may not have, if you recall when he came out at the front of the end of time he had said he got married. But then he may have changed his timeline, it would not be the first time he changed events

Maybe Doctor 11 will tell River song 'I'll look like this'


Maybe he married River Song.

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I heard a rumor that he married Elizabeth I and then ran out on her, which is why she hated him so much when they encountered Shakespeare.

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David Fryer wrote:
Okay, this has come up elsewhere but I'd like you guys to comment. How did River Song recognize the Doctor in the library if he had regenerated into Matt Smith by then? Ihave my own theory about this but I'd love to here what you guys think.

So what is your theory?!?!?!?!? I must know!!

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I'll give you a hint. Someone else in this thread already mentioned it.

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David Fryer wrote:
I'll give you a hint. Someone else in this thread already mentioned it.

Was it the "This is what I'll look like..."?


Matthew Morris wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
He may not have, if you recall when he came out at the front of the end of time he had said he got married. But then he may have changed his timeline, it would not be the first time he changed events
Maybe Doctor 11 will tell River song 'I'll look like this'

I thought of that however she new him on sight and was only after she got a real good look at him, into his eyes that she says I have never seen you this young.

Which makes it seem as if she had saw him in that form before. But then we do not know how much time is between the different episodes. Between the waters of mars and the end of time it could have been years alone

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Exactly, I believe he encountered her somewher off screen in between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time. It's the only answer that preserves the timeline intact.

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
He may not have, if you recall when he came out at the front of the end of time he had said he got married. But then he may have changed his timeline, it would not be the first time he changed events
Maybe Doctor 11 will tell River song 'I'll look like this'

I thought of that however she new him on sight and was only after she got a real good look at him, into his eyes that she says I have never seen you this young.

Which makes it seem as if she had saw him in that form before. But then we do not know how much time is between the different episodes. Between the waters of mars and the end of time it could have been years alone

Now that you guys are making me think...

what if it's his wife from Doctor 1? Susan's mom?


Most of the Doctor's life we don't know about, he aged 300 years between the third and current regenerations, so maybe we'll never know the full story of how River Song knew the doctor.

Also never count out a future Doctors reunion that river song meets both Doctors.

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Mac Boyce wrote:

Now that you guys are making me think...

what if it's his wife from Doctor 1? Susan's mom?

We know he had a wife and kids, if Susan was his graddaughter in anything but name, we've never had it verified (damnit!)


Ya know I just thought the tenth doctor left alot of clones around, his female clone, the dr/dona and his human clone with rose.

it means nothing with this topic but ya know he spread himself about a bit didnt he

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Ya know I just thought the tenth doctor left alot of clones around, his female clone, the dr/dona and his human clone with rose.

it means nothing with this topic but ya know he spread himself about a bit didnt he

*nods* I don't want to see the human clone/Rose ever again (I see plenty of Billie Piper in her other show *WEG*). Jenny I'd love to see again, same thing for Donna.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Ya know I just thought the tenth doctor left alot of clones around, his female clone, the dr/dona and his human clone with rose.

it means nothing with this topic but ya know he spread himself about a bit didnt he

*nods* I don't want to see the human clone/Rose ever again (I see plenty of Billie Piper in her other show *WEG*). Jenny I'd love to see again, same thing for Donna.

How much you wanna bet the clone turns out to be the Valeyard... ;)

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Mac Boyce wrote:
[How much you wanna bet the clone turns out to be the Valeyard... ;)

Now that would be priceless.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Mac Boyce wrote:
[How much you wanna bet the clone turns out to be the Valeyard... ;)
Now that would be priceless.

It would be an interesting twist on the Doctor team-ups.

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David Fryer wrote:
Exactly, I believe he encountered her somewher off screen in between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time. It's the only answer that preserves the timeline intact.

This does sound most reasonable... plus I'm sure I heard about a year ago that one of the feature length episodes Tennant was working on involved River Song - maybe they just ran out of budget/time before finishing that one.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Mac Boyce wrote:

Now that you guys are making me think...

what if it's his wife from Doctor 1? Susan's mom?

We know he had a wife and kids, if Susan was his graddaughter in anything but name, we've never had it verified (damnit!)

Maybe Susan is River's granddaughter also?

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Maybe David Tennant will return as the 12th Doctor? No reason he can't have the same face twice...

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Maybe David Tennant will return as the 12th Doctor? No reason he can't have the same face twice...

I think David is returning as the clone gone mad Valeyard.

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Xabulba wrote:

Maybe he married River Song.

It'd be much cooler if he married River Tam. ;)

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See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.

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David Fryer wrote:
See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.

Hmm, except Tegan didn't recognize the first doctor in the Five Doctors. (the companions comparing notes still makes me laugh though)

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Matthew Morris wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.
Hmm, except Tegan didn't recognize the first doctor in the Five Doctors. (the companions comparing notes still makes me laugh though)

Yeah, that is the flaw in my thory.

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You know, River does mention the Doctor having regenerated during their relationship.(She says he got a new face and a new suit.) That does add strength to the idea that he first meets her off camera between Waters of Mars and The End of Time.

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By the way, does anyon else feel like the Ood are being set up to become the new Time Lords? Particularly in Part one of The End of Time where they can see through the time stream, and not only recognize the fact that thier society is advancing too quickly for the timeline to have not been played with, but accept that it is something that needs fixing. I wonder if they will play a bigger role in the Who mythology as time goes on.


Maybe the guardians of time are influencing the Ood because they need a race to make sure the laws of time are maintained now that the Time Lords are gone and the Doctor decided he could break them.


Xabulba wrote:
Maybe the guardians of time are influencing the Ood because they need a race to make sure the laws of time are maintained now that the Time Lords are gone and the Doctor decided he could break them.

This is the very thought I had


David Fryer wrote:
See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.

Sara Jane smith didn't know the 10th doctor when she meet him.


Just thought of this, remember the guy who got pushed onto the giant Ood brain and was absorbed it could be that he is providing a jump start to the Ood civilization.


David Fryer wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.
Hmm, except Tegan didn't recognize the first doctor in the Five Doctors. (the companions comparing notes still makes me laugh though)
Yeah, that is the flaw in my thory.

Well, Tegan was a bit dense...


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David Fryer wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
See it's kinda like the Face of Boe. When he first recognizes the Doctor after he hasgone from Christopher Eccleston to David Tennent I was like, what the crap? However, if he is really Jack it would explain a lot. Another theory that just poped into my mind is that anyone who has spent time with theDoctor devlops an instinctive ability to recognize him regardless of what he looks like at the time.
Hmm, except Tegan didn't recognize the first doctor in the Five Doctors. (the companions comparing notes still makes me laugh though)
Yeah, that is the flaw in my thory.
Well, Tegan was a bit dense...

would that count for sara jane smith as well? She talked to him and shook his hand and didn't know him


Maybe the ability to recognize the Doctor in a new body only applies to those who have at least a little psychic sensitivity. Sarah Jane Smith was pretty, spunky, and adventurous, but always struck me as an average person - no special destiny, no mental powers. If anything, she was psychically susceptible; she got her mind dominated quite a lot.

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