Raptoans, PF style

[Luei]

So, contrary to what the title might lead you to believe, I have not made raptorans into PF rules. Rather, I am looking for someone more experienced in race balancing to do so. Mainly the reason I like them is because they are one of the very few races that can naturally fly, and I think they're generally awesome. But I think they're really kind of underpowered compared to the pathfinder races. Not that much, though. I mean, for the house rules they would be for now, I think that just sone stat boosts would likely do it. And it's between being a raptoran or a hobgoblin here, and I'd rather be a raptoran.

[Luei]

No? Nothing on Raptorans for a Pathfinder game? I mean, I know they're unpopular, so PF wouldn't (and shouldn't) have wasted their time with them so soon in the game, but nobody has a proposition for a change/update for them?

[Crimson Jester]

Actually since there is a winged race mentioned already and teasingly so I think most of us are maybe waiting for the powers to be to get to an adventure with them and maybe stating them up.

[erian_7]

I wouldn't think they'd need that much modification to play in PRPG. I'd probably do the following:

+2 Dex (complements use of Fly skill)
Fly is always a class skill
+2 Perception replaces +2 Spot
Favored Class: Any One

[Scipion del Ferro]

There are winged bird people in the first book of Council of Thieves. I think they are based on ravens. Very cool.

[Luei]

erian_7 wrote:

I wouldn't think they'd need that much modification to play in PRPG. I'd probably do the following:

+2 Dex (complements use of Fly skill)
Fly is always a class skill
+2 Perception replaces +2 Spot
Favored Class: Any One

Yeah, those changes sound about right, I mean, they are just about the only playable, balanced (emphasis) race that can naturally fly.

And I have not heard the teasers about a new winged race, but I look forward to it, and hope it is awesome.

[erian_7]

Scipion del Ferro wrote:

There are winged bird people in the first book of Council of Thieves. I think they are based on ravens. Very cool.

The strix are a bit too powerful for my tastes as a standard character race. Fly 60' (average), with a Dex bonus, darkvision, and low-light vision all from level 1 means they are nasty up against most CR-appropriate challenges. If I had someone wanting to play one, it would definitely be treated similar to a drow noble or svirfneblin...

The raptoran on the other hand is not too bad out of the gate, and gains flight at level-appropriate times.