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Kerry tried rebutting the claims after the 2004 Election, yet Boone Pickins (the man who put forward the $1 Million reward) decided not to take him up on the challenge, instead deciding to shift the goalposts. Source.
Later, a group of Veterans submitted detailed evidence to Mr Pickins, who again responded by shifting the goalposts. Source. Letter sent to Mr Pickins (PDF)
Also, the fact that some people here think that Palin is suited for running a McDonalds, let alone President of the United States, scares me quite a bit.
I for one am fairly certain she would do a nice job at any local fast food chain.
Also, the fact that some people here think that Palin is suited for running a McDonalds, let alone President of the United States, scares me quite a bit.
MILFDuckies?
No, doing research on John Kerry, plus Dan Rather's attempt to smear George W Bush by producing forged letters, definately put me in W's camp for 2004.How do you feel about that decision now?
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Still think W was better than Kerry. I mean the man wants to go talk some more with Iran for Pete's sake. "Jaw-Jaw" as Churchill said is well and good but "Jaw-other side trying to get nukes" isn't.
Between that and Kerry's care and respect for the military "Kicking in doors in the middle of the night, stealing parents from children"
"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." I don't regret it.
Well, I congratulate you for sticking to your guns, even if I fail to understand how Kerry's apparently offensive rhetoric stacks up against the mind-blowing catastro-f**k that was Bush's presidency. Why is it that dialogue with Iran IS the only option left on the table? Tried unilateralism in Iraq and Afghanistan, didn't work and tied our hands. I guess it's easy for me to be glib: I didn't have a horse in that race. South Park's "Douche and Turd" episode pretty much sums up how I felt about that race. And Democrats/Republicans in general. Regardless, I respect other people's political viewpoints and find it interesting to try to understand how and why they believe what they do.
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Well, I congratulate you for sticking to your guns, even if I fail to understand how Kerry's apparently offensive rhetoric stacks up against the mind-blowing catastro-f**k that was Bush's presidency. Why is it that dialogue with Iran IS the only option left on the table? Tried unilateralism in Iraq and Afghanistan, didn't work and tied our hands. I guess it's easy for me to be glib: I didn't have a horse in that race. South Park's "Douche and Turd" episode pretty much sums up how I felt about that race. And Democrats/Republicans in general. Regardless, I respect other people's political viewpoints and find it interesting to try to understand how and why they believe what they do.
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You and I have different definitions of 'unilateralism' I fear.
Dialogue with Iran is Not an option. To have dialogue one must have a partner willing to listen. When the 'partner' blames us for its people uprising, silences reporters building triggers which have no peaceful purpose, promise genocide while denying the Holocaust, talking to them and telling them they're bad is not an option.
MILFDuckies?I for one am fairly certain she would do a nice job at any local fast food chain.
Also, the fact that some people here think that Palin is suited for running a McDonalds, let alone President of the United States, scares me quite a bit.
Mmmm.....MILF.
Mmmm.....MILF.MILFDuckies?I for one am fairly certain she would do a nice job at any local fast food chain.
Also, the fact that some people here think that Palin is suited for running a McDonalds, let alone President of the United States, scares me quite a bit.
Mmmm ..... MILF candy ...
Mmmm ..... MILF candy ...Mmmm.....MILF.MILFDuckies?I for one am fairly certain she would do a nice job at any local fast food chain.
Also, the fact that some people here think that Palin is suited for running a McDonalds, let alone President of the United States, scares me quite a bit.
Mmmm.....MILf w/Guns
You and I have different definitions of 'unilateralism' I fear.
Really? Mister, that dog just won't hunt. "If you ain't with us, you're agin us" was the rallying cry as I recall. And while you were digging up wiki links, you missed one. First sentence sums it up nicely.
Dialogue with Iran is Not an option. To have dialogue one must have a partner willing to listen. When the 'partner' blames us for its people uprising, silences reporters building triggers which have no peaceful purpose, promise genocide while denying the Holocaust, talking to them and telling them they're bad is not an option.
You're missing my point, which is that any military option to prevent Iran from proceeding with their nuclear program is currently off the table because G.W. et. al. screwed the pooch (ahh, dog metaphors) so badly with Iraq/Afghanistan. I'm not arguing that the leaders of Iran aren't batsh*t crazy, it's just that there aren't any other options. Well, I guess we could have someone ELSE talk to them, thereby helping to restore the perception of US multilateralism while keeping our hands clean of having to directly deal with such an (Axis of) Evil country. Except for the fact that our standing with anyone capable of influencing Iran is pretty much in the toilet.
If, to defend what has been done in Iraq/Afghanistan, one must use a permutation of the argument "it's a dirty job but someone had to do it" it seems to me hypocritical to avoid dialogue with Iran, or perhaps concealing an ulterior motive.
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Ah yes, Brice/I-70/I-270. That is definitely a nightmare. Same with the I-71/I-70 split. Living on the east side(outside of the loop), but working downtown meant I had to deal with both every day. That was one thing I didn't miss after I got laid off. :)I live on the east side outside the loop too. I wonder if I can see your house from my front window better than Sarah can see the Ruskies from her front porch. :P
Very likely. I live in the Reynoldsburg area. Which was odd for me after spending close to 6 years in Clintonville. But after 4 years I think I have settled in fairly well.
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Well, since my defense policy would involve the shuttle toating a multiton nickle/iron slug into space, dropping it on Tehran, and then offering humanitarian assistance from the 'freak meteor strike', I'm likely not the one to talk about diplomacy ;-)
But we're at the point where talking won't do any good. Either a serious embargo, support the protestors (which we're going to be blamed for anyway, why not do the crime?) targeted strikes (As you can tell from the civil war thread, to me total war is an option, so is popping a cap in I'madinnerjacket) should be tried, or we should just accept the fact that a bunch of genocidal maniacs are going to have nukes.
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Should've told me that earlier when I made sad puppy faces to my woman when I wanted to stop by HPB after we left her post-op appt. An additional 20% off was hard to resist. I have more books than I know what to do with and when she told my father today what we had done, he said I should go to the library like he does. At least she's wise enough to respond that the stuff I buy are usually obscure and not necessarily found tucked neatly away within the cobbled dungeons of their dewey decimal system. :DOh well, of course. I certainly wasn't thinking about Paizo products when I said that. Or books in general for that matter. No need to go crazy and cut out the things that make life worth living. ;)frugal living? <shudder> But I need all of my Paizo crack.
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While I love to support the library system I have the same issue as you do. :) Well, that, and I can't seem to return books on time. My fines get kind of ridiculous if I am not careful.
Very likely. I live in the Reynoldsburg area. Which was odd for me after spending close to 6 years in Clintonville. But after 4 years I think I have settled in fairly well.
We're almost neighbors. Pataskala here. Been here since '03 after relocating from Worthington north of the outerbelt.
To be honest I wish more states had laws like we do here in Utah. Here you can only run for one political office at a time. Therefore you could not have had Senator Kerry running for re-election to the Senate and for president at the same time. Politicians should not have the ability to hedge their bets like that.
Heck in NJ you could hold multiple political offices at once....I believe at one point someone held a record 17, I think he was a Mayor, Sheriff, State Senator, and a whole lot more. ....
While I love to support the library system I have the same issue as you do. :) Well, that, and I can't seem to return books on time. My fines get kind of ridiculous if I am not careful.
Exactimundo! Besides, I briefly mention that I may need to go back to that book for something to reference and it won't be good for me if it's no longer in my possession and I have to go on a waiting list to loan it out again.
P.S. HPB's 20% off sale ends today. :D
P.P.S. Me? An enabler? :D
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I am wondering, how old were all of us on this thread when Reagan was elected?Who was the first president you voted for and what year?
For me, I was about 13 when he was elected, so my first election was
Bush 1 vs Dukaukis.I voted for Dukaukis because I disliked Bush. Then I voted for Perot in 1992 cause I didn't like Bush. Thats when I learned my lesson about third parties. And I learned Bush 1 wasn't so bad after all. It's been down hill since.
I was 5 years old when he came to office.
My first election was in '96 and I voted for Clinton. I actually rather liked him and still do.
I am ashamed to say I did not vote in '00.
'04 I voted for Badnarik. I admit, some of his ideas are a bit out there but I was securely in the Libertarian side of the fence at that time.
I think I might have voted Libertarian in 2008 but Bob Barr was an odd choice. While it seems he has changed his stance on a number of topics, I still have to wonder why he was chosen, given his political history.
Ultimately I voted for Obama, but I am very respectful of McCain and his political career. He would have been a good President, I think. It was a bit of a difficult choice for me, honestly, but after the lead-up to the election I was ready to see what Obama could do.
I never hated Palin though I never felt confident either. I think she got thrown into the spotlight before she really had a chance to prepare. I don't think she is stupid by any stretch but I really wish she had thought more before she spoke. When she was on script she sounded wonderful. When she strayed, her failure to improve hurt her.
When it comes down to it, she wasn't the reason I voted for Obama. If had voted based on the actions of each candidate's pick for VP I would have been left without a choice.
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While I love to support the library system I have the same issue as you do. :) Well, that, and I can't seem to return books on time. My fines get kind of ridiculous if I am not careful.Exactimundo! Besides, I briefly mention that I may need to go back to that book for something to reference and it won't be good for me if it's no longer in my possession and I have to go on a waiting list to loan it out again.
P.S. HPB's 20% off sale ends today. :D
P.P.S. Me? An enabler? :D
Taking the roomie after work to Worthington. 8 mintues to be precise.
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Very likely. I live in the Reynoldsburg area. Which was odd for me after spending close to 6 years in Clintonville. But after 4 years I think I have settled in fairly well.We're almost neighbors. Pataskala here. Been here since '03 after relocating from Worthington north of the outerbelt.
Wow, we are almost neighbors. I always liked Pataskala. Seems like it could be a nice place to live.
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While I love to support the library system I have the same issue as you do. :) Well, that, and I can't seem to return books on time. My fines get kind of ridiculous if I am not careful.Exactimundo! Besides, I briefly mention that I may need to go back to that book for something to reference and it won't be good for me if it's no longer in my possession and I have to go on a waiting list to loan it out again.
P.S. HPB's 20% off sale ends today. :D
P.P.S. Me? An enabler? :D
That is another good reason as well. I hate waiting. I am a product of my generation, I suppose.
P.S.- Crap! I need to head out there today.
P.P.S.- Enabler? Surely not. :)
I am wondering, how old were all of us on this thread when Reagan was elected?Who was the first president you voted for and what year?
For me, I was about 13 when he was elected, so my first election was
Bush 1 vs Dukaukis.I voted for Dukaukis because I disliked Bush. Then I voted for Perot in 1992 cause I didn't like Bush. Thats when I learned my lesson about third parties. And I learned Bush 1 wasn't so bad after all. It's been down hill since.
I was 5 years old when he came to office.
My first election was in '96 and I voted for Clinton. I actually rather liked him and still do.
I am ashamed to say I did not vote in '00.
'04 I voted for Badnarik. I admit, some of his ideas are a bit out there but I was securely in the Libertarian side of the fence at that time.
I think I might have voted Libertarian in 2008 but Bob Barr was an odd choice. While it seems he has changed his stance on a number of topics, I still have to wonder why he was chosen, given his political history.
Ultimately I voted for Obama, but I am very respectful of McCain and his political career. He would have been a good President, I think. It was a bit of a difficult choice for me, honestly, but after the lead-up to the election I was ready to see what Obama could do.
I never hated Palin though I never felt confident either. I think she got thrown into the spotlight before she really had a chance to prepare. I don't think she is stupid by any stretch but I really wish she had thought more before she spoke. When she was on script she sounded wonderful. When she strayed, her failure to improve hurt her.
When it comes down to it, she wasn't the reason I voted for Obama. If had voted based on the actions of each candidate's pick for VP I would have been left without a choice.
I was 10 when Reagan took office, I first voted for Bush Sr. Since then it was Bush Sr. Dole, Bush Jr, Bush Jr, Obama. I have a bad feeling I made a mistake in there.....
Taking the roomie after work to Worthington. 8 mintues to be precise.
The one on High Street? It's my least favorite. You should take the trek to Lane or Bethel, IMHO.
Wow, we are almost neighbors. I always liked Pataskala. Seems like it could be a nice place to live.
If I had the means, I'd actually would have relocated years ago. Building and relocating out here was a necessary evil at the time when my ex-wife had a teaching job in Zanesville and I worked out of Easton, so Pataskala was a middle ground, so to speak. With the exception of the traffic glut, I kinda miss living close to the conveniences of Polaris.
Once the Mayans are proven wrong and the economy swings bullish ... I keep telling myself. :D
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Wow, we are almost neighbors. I always liked Pataskala. Seems like it could be a nice place to live.If I had the means, I'd actually would have relocated years ago. Building and relocating out here was a necessary evil at the time when my ex-wife had a teaching job in Zanesville and I worked out of Easton, so Pataskala was a middle ground, so to speak. With the exception of the traffic glut, I kinda miss living close to the conveniences of Polaris.
Once the Mayans are proven wrong and the economy swings bullish ... I keep telling myself. :D
I have always liked living in the midst of things, as it were. Not to mention the traffic is terrible around my complex. This holiday season was a nightmare.
Our current townhouse has a massive basement that allows me to have a room devoted to gaming. I would love to own a house but that isn't in the cards for us right now. We did almost buy an awesome house in Clintonville, just before the economic collapse, but we decided to pass. I am happy we did, as we would have not been able to keep it, though I still miss the idea of that house. Three stories, massive living spaces, older with some work that needed to be done, gigantic back yard. It was everything I want in a home.
Instead, we ended up staying in Reynoldsburg for the time being. But I did find a game store I really like so it isn't all bad. Armoury Games on Hill Road. The owner is a really nice guy. He doesn't have a huge stock but I do order material from him and he gets it in rather quickly.
I have always liked living in the midst of things, as it were. Not to mention the traffic is terrible around my complex. This holiday season was a nightmare.
Our current townhouse has a massive basement that allows me to have a room devoted to gaming. I would love to own a house but that isn't in the cards for us right now. We did almost buy an awesome house in Clintonville, just before the economic collapse, but we decided to pass. I am happy we did, as we would have not been able to keep it, though I still miss the idea of that house. Three stories, massive living spaces, older with some work that needed to be done, gigantic back yard. It was everything I want in a home.
Instead, we ended up staying in Reynoldsburg for the time being. But I did find a game store I really like so it isn't all bad. Armoury Games on Hill Road. The owner is a really nice guy. He doesn't have a huge stock but I do order material from him and he gets it in rather quickly.
Almost sounds like you live near the 256 Taylor mess.
I've been to the Armoury once or twice. Seemed like a nice guy, but you are correct when it comes to the stock selection. I usually comb the local stores to see if anything has been discontinued that they're trying to get rid of that I can get at a decent price. Or if I want to buy something online, but need to see something first. Or Barnes & Noble here I make good use of my annual membership and the additional % off coupons I get weekly via e-mail.
Well, I skipped quite a few posts but wished to address a couple of things.
If Obama saying "You can vote for all of my programs with absolutely no policy input" is your idea of trying to bring the Repubs on board, you are 100% correct. Otherwise, I have no idea wtf you're talking about.Yes, because George W was famed for taking opposing points of view into account and certainly didn't railroad things through. At all.
It amazes* me that people complain about what their opponent is doing when they did the exact same thing when they had the power. Equally it amazes* me that people will 180 turn on what they complained about when they get in power. The inversion is quite interesting. Under Bush lots of Republicans had an attitude of "criticising the President is treason and you traitors should get the **** out of this country", while the Democrats thought there was no higher form of patriotism than to resist such a "tyrannical force of evil". Now those positions seem to be reversed, for no other reason than their guy is/is not in power.
There is a problem with the above critique at this particular point. This was a discussion about who could wear whose jock straps when comparing Reagan and Obama. I don't think that claiming Obama is flawed for not being bi-partisan is hypocritical when this criticism is a comparison to the Reagan administration. There was no necessity to add chastisement of the W administration (to avoid hypocrisy) because it was not part of the conversation.
I believe that calling the Republican lawmakers obstructionist with respect to Healthcare Reform is an incorrect application of "obstructionism".
First, I believe it should be noted that the holdouts in the HoR finally gave in with the addition of wording to disallow the Healthcare Reform money to be allocated to abortions. Whether or not you (the posters reading this) believe the money should or should not be so allocated is moot. Obama explicitly proclaimed that the money would not be allocated for abortions. So, they were supposedly being obstructive with respect to Obama's plan because they were holding out on wording being included to guarantee his proclamation about the plan.
I don't believe that qualifies as obstructionist.
The same can be said of the holdouts in the Senate but the outcome was different. Nelson, the Nebraska senator was bought out with Nebraska being given a payment freebie.
Secondly, popularity of the bill among the red states and districts should be taken into account. Nationally, the numbers for the package are not very good. It should not be a shock for me to suggest that the numbers would be worst in the red states and districts. So, although many may argue that voting via polling is not a good idea, it is not obstruction based upon political parties but rather obstruction based upon the desires of the electorate who do not want the package. It is evidence of a real divide in America rather than mere political bickering, IMO.
I could give more on this not being obstructionist but I will wait. I will also hold off on reference to the "stimulus" bill.
I still have store loyalty, and trek across down (via 670) to the Guardtower. Still buy all my (non-pdf) Battletech stuff there.
Heck, a friend got me 20 squigbucks for Christmas!
I'm naive. Squigbucks?
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I'm naive. Squigbucks?I still have store loyalty, and trek across down (via 670) to the Guardtower. Still buy all my (non-pdf) Battletech stuff there.
Heck, a friend got me 20 squigbucks for Christmas!
Gift Certificates, they look like big 10 dollar bills with Squig (the mascot) in the centre.
They're on a new squig, the old one passed away recently.
I'm naive. Squigbucks?I still have store loyalty, and trek across down (via 670) to the Guardtower. Still buy all my (non-pdf) Battletech stuff there.
Heck, a friend got me 20 squigbucks for Christmas!
Gift Certificates, they look like big 10 dollar bills with Squig (the mascot) in the centre.
They're on a new squig, the old one passed away recently.
This is a Guard Tower thing, right? I've only been there a couple of times. Great selection, but something about the aloofness of some of the staff puts me off with regard to lack of customer service ... as if there's some sort of superiority-inferiority complex. Can't put my finger on it.
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This is a Guard Tower thing, right? I've only been there a couple of times. Great selection, but something about the aloofness of some of the staff puts me off with regard to lack of customer service ... as if there's some sort of superiority-inferiority complex. Can't put my finger on it.I'm naive. Squigbucks?I still have store loyalty, and trek across down (via 670) to the Guardtower. Still buy all my (non-pdf) Battletech stuff there.
Heck, a friend got me 20 squigbucks for Christmas!
Gift Certificates, they look like big 10 dollar bills with Squig (the mascot) in the centre.
They're on a new squig, the old one passed away recently.
Did you go on a weekend? That guy's a PITA. But hten I've been there for years so maybe I just ignore it.
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They're on a new squig, the old one passed away recently.
I am sorry to hear that. Squig was a great cat.
This is a Guard Tower thing, right? I've only been there a couple of times. Great selection, but something about the aloofness of some of the staff puts me off with regard to lack of customer service ... as if there's some sort of superiority-inferiority complex. Can't put my finger on it.
I have had similar feelings when I walked in there. After I shopped there for about three years they actually began to talk to me. But I haven't been in to the store in a long time so I am sure I would have to start over at this point. :)
The selection is great and I enjoy being able to grab just about any mini I am looking for. I think of that as a plus in their favor.
Unfortunately I am allergic to cat urine and if it is a bad day for the litter boxes I can leave there feeling sick. This is funny, actually, as I own 5 cats. But then I am pretty psychotic when it comes to cleaning the litter boxes.
One of the reasons I like Armoury Games is the service I recieve. Bruce is just willing to order anything you ask for and he promotes my PFS events to the customers. And I have started to consider Bruce a friend, which has really sealed my loyalty to the store.
Unfortunately I am allergic to cat urine and if it is a bad day for the litter boxes I can leave there feeling sick. This is funny, actually, as I own 5 cats. But then I am pretty psychotic when it comes to cleaning the litter boxes.
One of the reasons I like Armoury Games is the service I recieve. Bruce is just willing to order anything you ask for and he promotes my PFS events to the customers. And I have started to consider Bruce a friend, which has really sealed my loyalty to the store.
What's the secret? I have four cats and it's a constant struggle. Doesn't the litter get expensive after awhile?
I had spoken to Bruce one time and he brought up the PFS event, but I think the schedule being pitched didn't work out well for a schedule that would be possible with my existing schedule.
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What's the secret? I have four cats and it's a constant struggle. Doesn't the litter get expensive after awhile?
The litter does add up doesn't it? I am allergic to cats but my girlfriend moved in several of the "outers" with the cold weather. Got 'em fixed and rabies shots but the litter boxes are a constant source of argument.
Guess it's better than finding them on the porch in the morning after a coyote mutilates them.
I thought I had a cultist dropping sacrifices off.
It takes constant vigilance, but the smell can be controlled.
So, I am gone for a couple days and reply to this thread when I return. But, my reply is buried in an avalanche of off-topic posts.
Anyone care to tell me why this thread was deliberately hijacked?
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So, I am gone for a couple days and reply to this thread when I return. But, my reply is buried in an avalanche of off-topic posts.
Anyone care to tell me why this thread was deliberately hijacked?
Because if I can get along with a couple of local Hippy Dippy tree huggers like Allen and and Urizen, it's kind of pointless? ;-)
And waht does the current destruction of 1/6th of the economy have to do with Reagan anyway?
So, I am gone for a couple days and reply to this thread when I return. But, my reply is buried in an avalanche of off-topic posts.
Anyone care to tell me why this thread was deliberately hijacked?
I don't think it was deliberate. I just have an uncanny habit of going off topic on sidebar conversations. It's like mingling at a wine tasting. :P
Because if I can get along with a couple of local Hippy Dippy tree huggers like Allen and and Urizen, it's kind of pointless? ;-)
And waht does the current destruction of 1/6th of the economy have to do with Reagan anyway?
Ahahaha...I've been called a lot of things, but I believe that's a first. The missus would have a laugh at that. "This guy doesn't know you, does he?" :D
Now to clean the soda that foamed out of my nose from the monitor. Excuse me.
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I find threadjacks often serve the role of comic-relief in the discussion. At the end of the day, there's no need to hold a grudge against the person on the other side of the screen.
They don't agree with you about Reagan or Obama or Milli Vanilli, whatever.
But if you NEVER knew anything about their political views, would you find them too distateful to roll a D20 with? I doubt it.
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Because if I can get along with a couple of local Hippy Dippy tree huggers like Allen and and Urizen, it's kind of pointless? ;-)
And waht does the current destruction of 1/6th of the economy have to do with Reagan anyway?
Ahahaha...I've been called a lot of things, but I believe that's a first. The missus would have a laugh at that. "This guy doesn't know you, does he?" :D
Now to clean the soda that foamed out of my nose from the monitor. Excuse me.
One of my friends here at work (who sat beside me for 9 years) is a leftie liberal. I've always called her a 'Hippy Dippy Tree Hugger' as a joke ;-)
They don't agree with you about Reagan or Obama or Milli Vanilli, whatever.
Whatchu got against Milli Vanilli? Oh brother, it's game over for you, man, Game over. Gonna have to get out the BFG flamethrower now!
:P
What's with all these statblocks and posters with DR/fire resistance these days? Unfair, I tell you. Epic Broken. Harumph.
It's evolution in action. Those without Fire Resistance do not survive in the political threads, so cannot perpetuate their views.
Well, I guess it's time to unleash the next evolutionary leap. Must unleash the nano-memes. No one has DRs against those. Subtle, but they will infiltrate and go viral. H1N1 will have nothing against these guys. Nothing! <shakes fist>
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I don't think it was deliberate. I just have an uncanny habit of going off topic on sidebar conversations. It's like mingling at a wine tasting. :P
Oh so it's your fault.
It's evolution in action. Those without Fire Resistance do not survive in the political threads, so cannot perpetuate their views.
So what you are saying is that I am destined to be here forever.
;P
So, I am gone for a couple days and reply to this thread when I return. But, my reply is buried in an avalanche of off-topic posts.
Anyone care to tell me why this thread was deliberately hijacked?
Because it's hard to accidentally hijack a thread?
And I agree with Heathansson. The man had a way of speaking .
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Some people have made statements about the Reagan years that are just not true. It took me a little while to pull together the information to refute the misstatements, but I finally did. My sources are the Census Bureau, the Congressional Budget Office, The Treasury Department, and the Internal Revenue Service.
- Average real family income rose by over 15% fron 1982 to 1989.
- The lowest 1/5th of Americans saw their real income increse by 12%
- Families earning more that $50,000 went from less than 25% of families to 31% between 1982 and 1990.
- 65% of people in the lowest 1/5 of income brackets moved up at least two brackets. More people moved from the bottome fifth to the top fifth between 1982 and 1989 then stayed in the bottem fifth.
- Individuals were five times more likely to have their income increase than decrease.
- The percentage of taxes paid by the top 1% of wage earners grew by 40% to 25%. The percentage of taxes paid by the bottom 60% of wage earners decreased 20%.
- The total population living below the poverty level decreased by 3.8 million people.
- Funding for social welfare sevice grew at an annual rate of 3% between 1980 and 1990, twice as much as between 1970 and 1980.
- From 1987-1989 the budget deficet decreased by $150 billion, despite tax cuts and unchecked government spending.