Hey Louis, you should cross promote your Race Creation Cookbook release for Pathfinder and create a new race for your upcoming campaign settings using that as your guide -- which could inspire others to do the same.
Just sayin'. :P
That sounds like a good idea that I should do. Thanks!!!
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If you're looking for them to have societies like Native Americans, I'd suggest going with the flying cat men. I can see cats having a society like that much more than apes.That's funny. So many on this thread have made the connection between flying apes and The Wizard of Oz... and some say that L. Frank Baum based Oz's winged monkeys partly on the Native Americans.
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I have, unfortunately, not actually read the Oz books. Been wanting to, just haven't had the chance yet. So I'd never heard about that connection. So, +1 point for you, -0.5 'cause
(Granted, apes are not the same as monkeys.)
8^)
So I kept thinking, "Ape or Cat" and then I though how about someting else totally different. Maybe some thing like the Gargoyles from Disney's cartoon in the 90s? Tough, more animal like than furry like. Just a tought...
I like this idea. (No surprise, as my second post should indicate. 8^) If they're just generally "bestial", you can give them whatever flavor you want, rather than be "locked in" to a particular animal's tendencies.
I want turtles!
Red Steel had Tortles. I know an issue of Dragon updated them for third edition, not sure which one though.
I want turtles!Red Steel had Tortles. I know an issue of Dragon updated them for third edition, not sure which one though.
Augh! You're going to make me go look now. :P
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Augh! You're going to make me go look now. :PI want turtles!Red Steel had Tortles. I know an issue of Dragon updated them for third edition, not sure which one though.
Its one of the January ones, if that helps! (All the Campaign Classic editions were in January.)
One of my players wanted to play a tortle, and knew which magazine it was in but not which section. Had to look through the entire set before I found out they were in Red Steel, so at least you don't have that problem.
Flying monkeys totally rock.
Hang on, we've got a winged, feline race already: the Maftet (Pathfinder #15, pp. 88-89).
They're CR6 (3.5 ed) as written, but might be workable.
Hang on, we've got a winged, feline race already: the Maftet (Pathfinder #15, pp. 88-89).
They're CR6 (3.5 ed) as written, but might be workable.
There are also flying gorillas in Crucible of Chaos.
Well I am getting the feeling that people are kind of split even between the both of ape-men & cat-men. I think I wam going to have to add the Disney Gargoyle-ish type race to this race. So, out of the THREE what do you think sounds the best?
Out of those three choices, Gargoyles. Hands down. The clan structure could very easily adapt to the Native American theme you are looking for. Can't wait for the book!
Well I am getting the feeling that people are kind of split even between the both of ape-men & cat-men. I think I wam going to have to add the Disney Gargoyle-ish type race to this race. So, out of the THREE what do you think sounds the best?
I cringe when I hear the word Disney and Gargoyle in the same sentence. Any one have a link example?
Goliath, leader of Clan Manhattan
I have to admit being a major fan of this cartoon. If Gargoyles aren't chosen I shall probably create a pathfinder version of them myself just cause I "must".
I'd love to see a race that could be as mutable as the Gargoyles. Some had wings, others had glider membranes between their arms.
And then there's Bronx
Goliath, leader of Clan Manhattan
I have to admit being a major fan of this cartoon. If Gargoyles aren't chosen I shall probably create a pathfinder version of them myself just cause I "must".I'd love to see a race that could be as mutable as the Gargoyles. Some had wings, others had glider membranes between their arms.
And then there's Bronx
Gargoyle was, hands down, one of the best cartoons I've ever seen.
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Gargoyles - fresher territory, less baggage. I like apes too, but they've been done before and some folks don't seem to wild about them. Cat-people creep me out, just too fetishy. Plus gargoyles are natural fliers. Just come up with some backstory about why humans put stone gargoyles on their roofs.
Ok, I'm convinced with the previous three posters.
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Gargoyle was, hands down, one of the best cartoons I've ever seen.Goliath, leader of Clan Manhattan
I have to admit being a major fan of this cartoon. If Gargoyles aren't chosen I shall probably create a pathfinder version of them myself just cause I "must".I'd love to see a race that could be as mutable as the Gargoyles. Some had wings, others had glider membranes between their arms.
And then there's Bronx
It also gave us Xanatos, master of so many tropes and the villian you loved to hate.
Favourite Xanatos quotes:
David Xanatos: I have the Eye of Odin back in my private collection and the city owes me a favor for donating it. I successfully tested this prototype battle exo-frame. And the most important thing: I was a little worried that I might be getting soft. But I was able to stand up against Goliath, the greatest warrior alive. I'd say I've still got the edge.
Xanatos: Nothing terrifies me - because nothing is beyond my ability to change.
David Xanatos: Don't you just hate it when guests drop by unannounced?
Owen Burnett: Shall we test the new security system, sir?
Xanatos: Why not? A little test never hurt anyone.
David Xanatos: It's my first real stab at clichéd villainy. How am I doing?
David Xanatos: This one can. Ever heard of the Cauldron of Life? It was supposed to grant me immortality but it fell short of my expectations. I couldn't see such a rare find going to waste, though, so I melted it down and used it to reconstruct Coyote. My Coyote. The magic inherent in the iron allows him to hold you. Ironic isn't it? One Coyote catching another.
Kachina Coyote: I should sue you for trademark infringement.
David Xanatos: Consider him a tribute.
David Xanatos: It's so hard to program good help these days.
David Xanatos: Goliath. I must say these last-minute upsets you keep handing me are becoming irritating.
And my absolute favourite:
The best thing about Gargoyles? The idea actually came from Disney's Gummi Bears.
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All this talk of flying apes brings back a funny gaming story ...
Back in the Golden Years of First Edition (or, as it was then called ... AD&D) we had a pretty cool and fairly long running Oriental Adventures campaign going. My character was a Hengyoki (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) - a race of magical animal shape shifters. Hengyoki were each of a specific animal type and each had three forms of that animal: a humanoid form, a pure animal form and then a hybrid of the two. You could shift back and forth between these three forms a certain number of times per day. You get the picture ...
My Hengyoki character was a monkey, which was cool and fun to play. At one point, I had acquired this really cool magic black cloak (I think it was called a Cloak of the Bat or something like that) that could change into bat wings and allowed me to fly. I got a lot of use out of it and it became a cool part of my character.
So, during one particular adventure, we were in a large cavern fighting a bunch of Evil Something Or Others. My character was up on a ledge for some reason - I think shooting arrows down. I was in my little used hybrid half human-half monkey form (you could only shift a certain number of times per day, remember, and I tended to only shift between human and monkey) and at one point I needed to get down to the cavern floor where the main battle was happening. So ... I proudly announced that I was going to activate my cloak, sprout my giant bat winds and fly down.
At that point, one of my friends looked at me a little funny and grinned.
"Wait," he said, "so ... you are a half man, half monkey with giant bat wings? You're a big flying monkey man?!?!"
Soon, my other friends began to get what he was saying and they all began singing the Evil Flying Monkey song from the Wizard Of Oz and rolling on the floor laughing. From that point on, I could not use my cool magic cloak without my friends launching into the Flying Monkey song.
It kind of became that character's theme song ...
Good times ...
Well I am getting the feeling that people are kind of split even between the both of ape-men & cat-men. I think I wam going to have to add the Disney Gargoyle-ish type race to this race. So, out of the THREE what do you think sounds the best?
One thousand years ago superstition and the sword ruled. It was a time of darkness. It was a world of fear. It was the age of gargoyles!
Gargoyle was, hands down, one of the best cartoons I've ever seen.
It is amzing to think how ahead of its time that cartoon was. You can do adult animated subject if they are good.
Favourite Xanatos quotes:
What happend to villains like him?
One thousand years ago superstition and the sword ruled. It was a time of darkness. It was a world of fear. It was the age of gargoyles!
That is good stuff!
I vote for coatyl and lillend worshipping winged serpent folk!
One thousand years ago superstition and the sword ruled. It was a time of darkness. It was a world of fear. It was the age of gargoyles!That is good stuff!
Well, I can't take credit for it. It is the opening lines to the show from Season 2.
By the way as a fellow designer LP, I love your stuff, what I would do for this scenario is make an intelligent Manticore variant, and since it is set during the gunpowder age, you could have them even hollowing out their tailspikes and adding gunpowder so they are like flying artillery. Who needs cannons when you have 3' long tailspikes with gunpowder.
Hmmm see there I go, giving up some ideas! :) Looking forward to see what you come up with.
Man, I feel like having an estrogen attack because I'm changing my mind ever so frequently. Dredan's idea rawks!
Winged catfolk might be descended from sphinxes...and their arch-nemeses could be those black powder manticores....
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So I kept thinking, "Ape or Cat" and then I though how about someting else totally different. Maybe some thing like the Gargoyles from Disney's cartoon in the 90s? Tough, more animal like than furry like. Just a tought...
Ok now that I could get into. They could have attributes of many different animals and yet retain their own unique flair. I really really like this Idea.
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The best thing about Gargoyles? The idea actually came from Disney's Gummi Bears.Really? can you elaborate?
Commentary on the season one Gargoyles DVD. They're commenting that if you take away the cute colourful bouncing bears, they stories are actually quite dark in spots. The success of the Gummi Bears allowed them to 'push the envelope' more, resulting in Gargoyles.
I actually get DVDs more and more for commentary, as well as reliving my childhood.
Gargoyles are probably ideal. There can be cat-like, wolf-like, ape-like, bear-like, bat-like, serpent-like, crow-like, eagle-like, hawk-like, coyote-like, etc., types of gargoyles, representing different aboriginal tribes.
Gargoyles might even be a type of living construct, similar, but different, than warforged.
Kind of a cross between shifters and warforged, with wings.
Gargoyles are probably ideal. There can be cat-like, wolf-like, ape-like, bear-like, bat-like, serpent-like, crow-like, eagle-like, hawk-like, coyote-like, etc., types of gargoyles, representing different aboriginal tribes.
Gargoyles might even be a type of living construct, similar, but different, than warforged.
Kind of a cross between shifters and warforged, with wings.
SmiloDan, you might have just won yourself a free copy of Pirates of the Bronze Sky!!!! I have wanted to find a way to do warforged and a flying race in the setting and you might have just done it!! I have to do some work. Thansk again SmiloDan!
SmiloDan, you might have just won yourself a free copy of Pirates of the Bronze Sky!!!! I have wanted to find a way to do warforged and a flying race in the setting and you might have just done it!! I have to do some work. Thansk again SmiloDan!Gargoyles are probably ideal. There can be cat-like, wolf-like, ape-like, bear-like, bat-like, serpent-like, crow-like, eagle-like, hawk-like, coyote-like, etc., types of gargoyles, representing different aboriginal tribes.
Gargoyles might even be a type of living construct, similar, but different, than warforged.
Kind of a cross between shifters and warforged, with wings.
SWEET!!!
:-)
I've been trying to come up with some non-warforged-like living construct ideas, and all the gargoyle posts upthread were really inspiring.
Gargoyles might even be a type of living construct, similar, but different, than warforged.Statues gone wild :)
Demona in a wet t-shirt contest???
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Demona in a wet t-shirt contest???Gargoyles might even be a type of living construct, similar, but different, than warforged.Statues gone wild :)
In which form?
And in a toss up between Demona, Angela, Elisa, Maggie and Delilah, I'm torn between Delilah and Elisa (biased by having seen Salli Richardson)
Demona in a wet t-shirt contest???
Now where am I supposed to sign my soul away in blood? Oh, right there...