| xJoe3x |
Alternative Leadership
Prereq - Leadership
With this feat you can use an ability besides charisma to use for Leadership abilities.
The idea being that you can inspire some people to follow you by just being strong/fast/tough/smart/wise.
Its a house rule someone in my group suggested. Does it sound balanced? I would love some feedback, thanks!
Joe3
| Jellyfulfish |
Leadership is a strange feat. It cannot be evaluated on a powerscale basis with other feats because it is simply too powerful. The economy of action makes it simply invaluable to have another set of full round actions EVERY round, even if it's at your ECL - X.
DMs should strictly control the access to this feat. In some parties where the lack of a major role/niche is obvious, it can help the party enormously. But for already large parties with all primary roles covered, leadership will more or less make the game lag with even more actions per combat turn to keep track of, and might overall hinder some party members from getting spotlight.
If your game is balanced/fit for leadership in the first place, then your feat proposal do seem like a good option.
The best use of leadership is probably to have fleshed-out NPCs to gravitate around the party, and give the PCs the opportunity to take them as side kicks with this feat selection, rather than give the players a free-selection card of "create your sidekick".
Jelly
Christopher Van Horn
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I think it is balanced somewhat but maybe needs to be a little more specific. I am reminded of a feat from the races of faerun, Might Makes Right, it was designed for a specific racial subtype (orc) and only applied to follower not all of leadership. maybe something along this line would be a little more balanced? still a good idea though.
| xJoe3x |
Leadership is a strange feat. It cannot be evaluated on a powerscale basis with other feats because it is simply too powerful. The economy of action makes it simply invaluable to have another set of full round actions EVERY round, even if it's at your ECL - X.
DMs should strictly control the access to this feat. In some parties where the lack of a major role/niche is obvious, it can help the party enormously. But for already large parties with all primary roles covered, leadership will more or less make the game lag with even more actions per combat turn to keep track of, and might overall hinder some party members from getting spotlight.
If your game is balanced/fit for leadership in the first place, then your feat proposal do seem like a good option.
The best use of leadership is probably to have fleshed-out NPCs to gravitate around the party, and give the PCs the opportunity to take them as side kicks with this feat selection, rather than give the players a free-selection card of "create your sidekick".
Jelly
Thanks! I am not concerned about action time really, our group has had players use leadership frequently and its not a problem. It never has been a cause of lag for us. It has never taken the spotlight from others either, the cohort is so very weak comparatively. The other adds are usually left behind because they would be slaughtered.
As long as the different primary state sounds fair its good, thanks for the feedback.
| xJoe3x |
I think it is balanced somewhat but maybe needs to be a little more specific. I am reminded of a feat from the races of faerun, Might Makes Right, it was designed for a specific racial subtype (orc) and only applied to follower not all of leadership. maybe something along this line would be a little more balanced? still a good idea though. [/QUOTE
That sounds interesting, but having to keep two different scores sounds a bit of a pain.
| Majuba |
I think it is balanced somewhat but maybe needs to be a little more specific. I am reminded of a feat from the races of faerun, Might Makes Right, it was designed for a specific racial subtype (orc) and only applied to follower not all of leadership. maybe something along this line would be a little more balanced? still a good idea though.
This was my thought as well (though not the race specific). Just one for cohort only, one for followers only.
| Kirth Gersen |
I'd specify an ability, not just leave it open. Like, using Strength would make sense for fighters and barbarians; their followers would be impressed with the leader's obvious physical might. You could call the feat something like "Mighty Warlord" or something (I'm sure you can come up with something better than that) to get the point across.
A feat that lets you use Dex instead of Cha, though... I'm having a hard time thinking of any rationale for that, other than you have a rogue character who took Cha as a dump stat but doesn't want to pay the price for it.
IMPORTANT EDIT: On further thought, too many people use Cha as an "auto-dump," because as long as your party has a bard or sorcerer or paladin to do the talking, everyone else pretty much instantly assigns Cha as their lowest stat. The awesomeness of the Leadership feat is one of the few things preventing that attitude from being universal, so I'd be VERY hesitant to allow people to circumvent that. Otherwise Cha quickly becomes binary: either maxed out (for 1/4 of the party) or sold down to the lowest possible value (everyone else).
| xJoe3x |
I'd specify an ability, not just leave it open. Like, using Strength would make sense for fighters and barbarians; their followers would be impressed with the leader's obvious physical might. You could call the feat something like "Mighty Warlord" or something (I'm sure you can come up with something better than that) to get the point across.
A feat that lets you use Dex instead of Cha, though... I'm having a hard time thinking of any rationale for that, other than you have a rogue character who took Cha as a dump stat but doesn't want to pay the price for it.
IMPORTANT EDIT: On further thought, too many people use Cha as an "auto-dump," because as long as your party has a bard or sorcerer or paladin to do the talking, everyone else pretty much instantly assigns Cha as their lowest stat. The awesomeness of the Leadership feat is one of the few things preventing that attitude from being universal, so I'd be VERY hesitant to allow people to circumvent that. Otherwise Cha quickly becomes binary: either maxed out (for 1/4 of the party) or sold down to the lowest possible value (everyone else).
Thanks, this input really helped. Of course thanks to everyone else for their input as well.