Arcane Theurge


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I was reading a forum earlier where someone who jokingly mentioned a person who was playing a wiz 3/ sorc 3 and how bad that character would suck, which is true. It got me thinking that a wiz 3/ cleric 3 sucks pretty bad too but Mystic Theurge is a really good PrC. So if the Theurge class allowed any two casting classes to combine and gain full caster levels for both would sorcerer/wizard be a powerful combination?

I think it would be a great role playing class. I like the idea of some one having an inherent ability to cast magic then applying them selves with study. As opposed to the iconic bumbler sorcerer:
Kahlan- "Hey Dick, what spell is that?"
Dick- "I call it 'Deus ex Machina'!!"
Kahlan "Oooo sounds exotic"
Dick- "Oh, it is . . . I just have no idea how I did it"

Anyway, I think having an Arcane Theurge type caster would be a really powerful combination, and give you some of the best elements of both wizards and sorcerers.

Thoughts?

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You might want to check the etymology on "theurge."

And the class you're looking for is called Ultimate Magus. It's from Complete Mage.


tejón wrote:

You might want to check the etymology on "theurge."

Done, and noted :D

And the class you're looking for is called Ultimate Magus. It's from Complete Mage.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.


And the class you're looking for is called Ultimate Magus. It's from Complete Mage.

The mystic theurge gets a better deal, I think. It increases both casters every time, and I don't see the wizard sorcerer combination being anymore powerful than the wizard/cleric, but oh well.


Yeah, the Ultimate Magus should cover your needs, one thing though.

Who the heck decided the 'bumbling sorcerer' was iconic?

I'm sorry, but why do so many people think of the sorcerer as this mage that has no clue wtf he's doing?

I understand that as one way of roleplaying the class, and don't have a problem with it as an option, but so many people have this idea in their head that wizards are the 'real mages' and sorcerers don't have a clue.

My preferred view is of the sorcerer as magic incarnate. Wizards 'study' magic, but the sorcerer IS magic.

(Also... I just now noticed the sword of truth joke lol. Funny how Richard is 'technically' a kind of wizard)


kyrt-ryder wrote:


Who the heck decided the 'bumbling sorcerer' was iconic?

I'm sorry, but why do so many people think of the sorcerer as this mage that has no clue wtf he's doing?

I understand that as one way of roleplaying the class, and don't have a problem with it as an option, but so many people have this idea in their head that wizards are the 'real mages' and sorcerers don't have a clue.

My preferred view is of the sorcerer as magic incarnate. Wizards 'study' magic, but the sorcerer IS magic.

(Also... I just now noticed the sword of truth joke lol. Funny how Richard is 'technically' a kind of wizard)

Glad someone caught the reference. I guess it is iconic in books more than RPG's. It always seems to me that when you have a person who is inherently powerful most the time they don't spend the time required to learn what they are doing. Sword of truth, Belgariad, and wheel of time are just a few where powerful casters just kind of act without knowing what they are doing. I like sorcerers, and I really like the idea of a sorcerer wizard who has an innate ability that they perfect with study. It seems like that is pretty iconic too. A person who is extraordinarily powerful that becomes more so through study. Elminster comes to mind.


So you want a Mystic Theurge Base Class???


Belgarath just gives the impression of not knowing what he's going to do next. It's an act he's carefully cultivated over 7,000 years :)

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Eyolf The Wild Commoner wrote:
So you want a Mystic Theurge Base Class???

A friend of mine actually made one, and it was balanced and not over-powered. Its scary how he can do stuff like that...

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