Why does creating a scroll generate a different cost than scroll base costs table (15-15)?

[FireHawk]

I'm looking at page 552 of the Core rulebook. Why does creating a scroll generate a different cost than that of the scroll base costs table? The table is also refereed to as 15-15. A search for scroll cost didn't reveal any good leads.

In the creating scrolls section it states :
base creation cost (12.5) x spell level x caster level + reagent

so if a cleric/druid/wizard scribes a scroll by the following formula it results in a table as follows :
bcc x sl x min cl = creation cost
12.5 x 1 x 1 = 12.5
12.5 x 2 x 2 = 50
12.5 x 3 x 3 = 112.5
12.5 x 4 x 4 = 200
12.5 x 5 x 5 = 312.5
12.5 x 6 x 6 = 450
12.5 x 7 x 7 = 612.5
12.5 x 8 x 8 = 800
12.5 x 9 x 9 = 1012.5

if the costs are subsumed in the creation cost why does table 15-15 read :
sl = cost / 2 (per footnote for creation value)
0 = 6.25
1 = 12.5
2 = 75
3 = 187.5
4 = 350
5 = 562.5
6 = 825
7 = 1137.5
8 = 1500
9 = 1912.5

What am I missing that changes the prices? Is it a min. reagent cost?

To further my confusion why do the other classes have different scroll costs? What makes scribing a level 2 spell more costly for a sorcerer than a wizard? If there is some reason unseen to me shouldn't that be represented in all of the creation formulas? To further complicate this how does the alchemist, inquisitor, oracle, summoner, and witch fit into this puzzle?

Thanks,

John

Edited its 15-15 not 15-5

[Sean FitzSimon]

Well, right off the top of my head I can say that it costs more for sorcerers/oracles/bards to create scrolls because their minimum caster level is higher than a wizard/druid/cleric (they get their spells later), and that rangers/paladins have such monstrously high costs because they get their spells MUCH later and thus have higher minimum caster levels.

As for the other stuff, I'm not sure. I'm gonna look into it.

[Gorbacz]

Table 15-5 reads Shield Special Abilities in my book :)

[Sean FitzSimon]

Oh, oh, oh. I see what you did there.

In your original data you have the formula set to [base price] x [spell level] x [minimum caster level]. I didn't notice it at first, but you don't have the correct minimum caster level.

For a wizard/druid/witch/cleric to cast an 8th level spell the forumla would be 12.5 x 8 (spell level) x 15 (the lowest level they can be to cast the spell). Sorcerers/oracles would use a caster level of 16, since they get their 8th level spells a level later.

Hope that clears it up.

[FireHawk]

Sean FitzSimon wrote:

...In your original data you have the formula set to [base price] x [spell level] x [minimum caster level]. I didn't notice it at first, but you don't have the correct minimum caster level. ...

Yep I see it now, comes from being a newbie. Its an interesting difference in game mechanics of rifts/palladium and d&d/pathfinder I hadn't noticed until now LOL

[UrJac]

Just ran into this myself. The explanation given is what I expected, but even then doesn't add up. Minimum caster level for 1st level spells is 1st level, so 12.5x1x1 is 12.5.
For 2nd level spells it's 3rd level caster, so that's 12.5x2x3=75 (chart says 150). 3rd spell is 5th character, so 3x5x12.5= 187.5. Rather than chart 375. Seems the chart assumes the multiple is 25, not 12.5. The scribe scroll feat says the cost to scribe is half the price of a bought scroll, and the Scroll description section on page 490 says the price is 25xlevelxlevel. The chart is almost identical to the one on page 491, except for the Paladin, Ranger column, which looks correct. The other columns should be halved.

[Lifat]

UrJac wrote:

Just ran into this myself. The explanation given is what I expected, but even then doesn't add up. Minimum caster level for 1st level spells is 1st level, so 12.5x1x1 is 12.5.

Yup that is correct. It costs 12.5 gp to create a 1st lvl scroll (unless you want a higher caster level).

UrJac wrote:

For 2nd level spells it's 3rd level caster, so that's 12.5x2x3=75 (chart says 150). 3rd spell is 5th character, so 3x5x12.5= 187.5. Rather than chart 375. Seems the chart assumes the multiple is 25, not 12.5. The scribe scroll feat says the cost to scribe is half the price of a bought scroll, and the Scroll description section on page 490 says the price is 25xlevelxlevel. The chart is almost identical to the one on page 491, except for the Paladin, Ranger column, which looks correct. The other columns should be halved.

I have no idea which charts you are looking at. It is very simple.

To scribe a scroll (create it) the cost in gp is 12.5x[Min. CL]x[Spell lvl]+[any expensive material components]+[1/50 of any expensive focus]
To buy a scroll (market price) the price in gp is 25x[Min. CL]x[Spell lvl]+[any expensive material components]+[1/50 of an expensive focus]
So it seems to me that the chart you are refering to is listing the market price rather than the creation cost.