Kineticists and Caster Level


Rules Questions


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Can a Kineticist qualify for a feat (or anything else, for that matter) that has a Caster Level as a prerequisite?

I'm being told 'no, because all they have is spell-like abilities, they do NOT have a Caster Level'.

Case and point: Blighted Critical (Ultimate Magic, 143)

Blighted Critical:
Blighted Critical (Critical)
With a critical hit from a spell or spell-like ability, you give the target a minor spellblight.
Prerequisites: Caster level 5th.
Benefit: Whenever you confirm a critical hit with a touch spell, ranged touch spell, or spell-like ability against an opponent, the victim gains a random minor spellblight (see page 95).
Special: You can apply the effects of only one critical feat to a given critical hit unless you possess Critical Mastery.

My contention is that this would be a valid feat for a Kineticist. Each of the following would appear to indicate that Kineticists have a Caster Level:

  • Kinetic Blast is a spell-like ability (Occult Adventures, 11)
  • Kineticists are subject to Concentration checks (Gather Power; Occult Adventures, 12).
  • The text of Expanded Element states that one of the benefits of staying with the your original element both times (Levels 7 & 15) is a boost to Caster Level (Occult Adventures, 13)
  • The general description of Basic Blasts (Occult Adventures, 15) implies that Energy Blasts are subject to Spell Resistance (it clearly states that physical blasts are NOT subject to SR).

Without a Caster Level, I see Kineticists as severely crippled:

  • Concentration checks are 1d20 + Caster Level + Casting Attribute Modifier. Without Caster Level, a 20th level Kineticist will NEVER be able to successfully make a Concentration check to use their Kinetic Blast defensively, even with Combat Casting, assuming a +5 DEX mod (DC 33 vs. 1d20 + 9)
  • Without a Caster Level, even a high level Kineticist would be virtually unable to affect anything with Spell Resistance (1d20 + 0 at Level 20)


'no, because all they have is spell-like abilities, they do NOT have a Caster Level'

Now they do have a caster level for their SLA when it's needed to bypass SR or concentration checks. They don't have a caster level, they only have a caster level for their SLA. So they can't qualify for feats that need a caster level.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Effective caster levels from spell-like abilities don't count for feat prerequisites.

FAQ

The key-word is "effective"

Scarab Sages

This is a case of RAW = no, RAI = yes. The feat is clearly intended to work with SLA, so a SLA should count to qualify for it imo. However, per the FAQ it doesn't. I would allow it in a home game, but I wouldn't use it for PFS.


Thanks for the rapid responses and the FAQ link.

Dark Archive

Just asking you do know that ''con'' is the primary casting stat for kineticist right? Plus if expended element gives caster level how can a kineticist not have a caster level pls someone explain that to me like you are explaining it to a 5 year old.

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