Shillelagh (love that word!) question

[kossowankenobi]

Core Rulebook p. 229 states:
"Cudgel or quarterstaff becomes +1 weapon (1d10 damage) for 1min./level"
I'm going to assume cudgel = club here...

In the spell description (Core Rulebook p. 343) it states:
"[The weapon] deals damage as if it were two size categories larger (a Small club or quarterstaff so transmuted deals 1d8 points of damage, a Medium 2d6, and a Large 3d6), +1 for its enhancement bonus."

Staves/clubs do 1d6 (Medium) damage. If you advance the weapon damage twice according to Core Rulebook Table 6-5 (p. 145) then you get to 1d10 (which would match the brief on p.229).

The two listings contradict - I'd be inclined to house-rule in favor of 1d10. Thoughts?

[grasshopper_ea]

kossowankenobi wrote:

Core Rulebook p. 229 states:

"Cudgel or quarterstaff becomes +1 weapon (1d10 damage) for 1min./level"
I'm going to assume cudgel = club here...

In the spell description (Core Rulebook p. 343) it states:
"[The weapon] deals damage as if it were two size categories larger (a Small club or quarterstaff so transmuted deals 1d8 points of damage, a Medium 2d6, and a Large 3d6), +1 for its enhancement bonus."

Staves/clubs do 1d6 (Medium) damage. If you advance the weapon damage twice according to Core Rulebook Table 6-5 (p. 145) then you get to 1d10 (which would match the brief on p.229).

The two listings contradict - I'd be inclined to house-rule in favor of 1d10. Thoughts?

1d4 goes to 1d6, 1d6 goes to 1d8, 1d8 goes to 2d6, 2d6 goes to 3d6

1d10 goes to 2d8

[tejón]

grasshopper_ea wrote:

1d6 goes to 1d8

except when it goes to 2d4, and

Quote:

1d8 goes to 2d6

except when it goes to 1d10.

But yeah. :)

Spoiler:

Now, can the OP pronounce shillelagh? ;)

[kossowankenobi]

Spoiler:

shuh LAY lee :)

Ok, I get it - I should be reading across the chart on p.145 to the next size category, not going straight down it. Twice.

@tejon when would these exceptions (?) take place?

[tejón]

kossowankenobi wrote:

@tejon when would these exceptions (?) take place?

Generally when going backwards. The table assumes the base weapon is medium; the change from medium to small is often different than the equivalent change from large to medium. Notably, 1d10 drops to 1d8 and 2d6/1d12 drops to 1d10.

It's slightly annoying. :)

[kyrt-ryder]

tejón wrote:

kossowankenobi wrote:

@tejon when would these exceptions (?) take place?

Generally when going backwards. The table assumes the base weapon is medium; the change from medium to small is often different than the equivalent change from large to medium. Notably, 1d10 drops to 1d8 and 2d6/1d12 drops to 1d10.

It's slightly annoying. :)

One thing I would add, in the case of 3.5 at least, is that there are times when you increase a weapon up the weapon table, rather than increasing it's effective size.

In this case, a d8 would go up to a d10, or a d10 to a d12/2d6.

These are few and far between, and usually more a GM issue with changing mechanics than a player issue, but there you have it.

[kossowankenobi]

So... apparently the splash text for Shillelagh on p.229 just needs an update to the more common 2d6.

Thanks folks!

[delabarre]

kossowankenobi wrote:

So... apparently the splash text for Shillelagh on p.229 just needs an update to the more common 2d6.

Thanks folks!

It's already in the latest PDF. :-)

[kossowankenobi]

I r slowpoke editur :)

[Oren]

The error with the 1d10 in the spell summary was a carry over from the 3.5 Player's Handbook. And yes, it's fixed now. However, they should have also changed cudgel into club.